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Obama to take executive action on immigration

Mr.Nick said:
You do realize the US is not a dictatorship?

Furthermore I love how progressives argue against voter ID laws yet have no problem with Obama using executive orders while trumping their representation.....
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I love how progressives complain about income inequality of poor Americans, low wages and how we need to help out poor Americans. But they want to flood the legal labor pool in our country with 12-20 million plus people. I do not think they are aware of the fact that that the more people you have available to do a job the less valuable that employee becomes and that adding more people to the legal labor pool when there are millions of unemployed Americans ensures that those Americans will not be able to get jobs.Both of which will strain tax payer funded services for poor Americans.
 
sookster said:
List of Presidents and their executive orders.

As you can see, by looking at the numbers, Obama is very modest. The question is, how much influence do these executive orders impose compared to the past?

I think it is good that the American people are troubled by this. Hopefully one day the people will stop the "all of our computers broke down at the same time" stories from working, and stop the government from doing whatever they want to do. Because right now the government can do whatever it wishes, and it knows it. We can't trust people from the government to oversee itself; we have to as a people keep the government accountable.
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It's not the number of EO's that's the problem, it's what they do. I can shoot an entire truck load of AR-15 ammunition on my own farm and there's no problem, but if just one of those rounds gets out of my property limits and hits someone, then there's a problem.

A President can issue an EO as long it stays inside his own legal power granted by the Constitution. The problem with many of Obama's EO's is that they have been fired outside of the power he is granted under the Constitution and hit the Congress and the American people right in the head.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Forget the GOP they're just as bad as the progressives.

The GOP is just as good as the progressive establishment.
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That's who we have to live with though, is the two major parties. That's who will have to pass it through Congress. Assuming of course that there isn't a wave of 3rd party candidates that get elected (which is probably a safe assumption).
 
Ray410 said:
What Obama can do, and has been doing, is insuring that the laws already on the books are not enforced. That is why we have a country filled with illegals.
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I am helpless to disagree.
 
APACHERAT said:
90% of those who have been given a date to appear before an immigration judge don't show up and Obama knows it.

That's what Obama plans to do with all of these underage illegal aliens. They will be given a date to appear before the court and released into our society and will go into hiding until they are awarded amnesty.
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Well if he does that, he is going to have to bump some cases off the dockets, because the immigration courts are backlogged for months.
 
bubbabgone said:
Ya know, I listened to Obama say he was going to take his latest Executive Action because the Tea Party wouldn't let Boehner vote on the wonderful Senate Immigration Bill.
And what he said he was going to do was send personnel to manage the border.
So I wondered why he needs another bill to make him enforce the border when we already have laws that require him to do that very thing.
Then I realized he was playing with words again.
He didn't mean he was taking E.A. to enforce the border, he meant he was going to send more people to process all those kids.
Just like he had planned from the beginning of the year.

Say what you will, he's a scumbag all right, but he's the most proficiently lying scumbag President we've ever had.
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I think the media has their lips firmly planted on Obama's anus and Obama knows it. That is why Obama does the things he does.
 
azgreg said:
Well that too, but I believe he's going to increase the number of judges. At least that's what I heard on the radio this morning.
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I suppose we'll have to see.

In terms of recent events, it's clear the Border Patrol has been directed away from their primary mission into a support role, which doesn't imply there is much recognition the influx of illegals is considered a threat to US security and sovereignty.

With Senator Pelosi on the border with open arms, there is certainly reason to believe the President doesn't have plans to stem the tide in anything more than a perfunctory manner.
 
Perotista said:
As long as the president enforces existing laws, whatever he does is within the law such as moving resources around, I don't have a problem with it. If the phrase "as I can on my own," means within existing law, what is the problem? If it means creating his own laws then he has overstepped. In our system congress writes the laws, the administration enforces them.
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He already EO'd a new law by granting amnesty to illegal children back in 2012. Look what happened.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Executive orders only apply to federal agencies, employees.



Hmmm so executive orders are inherently illegal and "fascist"? Well looks like every single POTUS except 1 was a fascist by your definition.
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You just made that up because they (executive orders) don't, er work the way you claim they do.

Besides the whole "its temporary" crap doesn't exactly pump my nads....... Whatever.

If I wasn't Barred I would file a civil suit against Obama right now.
 
APACHERAT said:
90% of those who have been given a date to appear before an immigration judge don't show up and Obama knows it.

That's what Obama plans to do with all of these underage illegal aliens. They will be given a date to appear before the court and released into our society and will go into hiding until they are awarded amnesty.
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I can see that, but that's how the law is written. Those from Mexico can be deported right away, it's the ones that are from other countries (Honduras, etc.) that has to follow a different procedure. If there were enough judges avail. they could do the process right then and there.
 
jamesrage said:
I think the media has their lips firmly planted on Obama's anus and Obama knows it. That is why Obama does the things he does.
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That's why people are now going after those in the MS media and setting them out while destroying their credibility in the Industry.....now we just need to make sure that their daily lives are filled with living that mistake for the rest of their lives.....while making sure they are done with the Industry for good.
 
azgreg said:
I can see that, but that's how the law is written. Those from Mexico can be deported right away, it's the ones that are from other countries (Honduras, etc.) that has to follow a different procedure. If there were enough judges avail. they could do the process right then and there.
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Are you suggesting that the taxpayers should give Obama some money so Obama can appoint activist judges who legislate from the bench who are likely to grant asylum to every Jose, Juanita and Pancho ?
 
APACHERAT said:
Are you suggesting that the taxpayers should give Obama some money so Obama can appoint activist judges who legislate from the bench who are likely to grant asylum to every Jose, Juanita and Pancho ?
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Are you done putting words in my mouth. I said no such thing.
 
Kal'Stang said:
He already EO'd a new law by granting amnesty to illegal children back in 2012. Look what happened.
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No child is illegal and O doesn't need an EO to quit enforcing the drug laws--if he did that, the immigration crisis would instantly be solved.
 
solletica said:
No child is illegal and O doesn't need an EO to quit enforcing the drug laws--if he did that, the immigration crisis would instantly be solved.
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Illegality has nothing to do with age.
 
Kal'Stang said:
He already EO'd a new law by granting amnesty to illegal children back in 2012. Look what happened.
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That he did, if he didn't change (rewrite) existing law, the president at a minimum wrote and added his own amendment to it. Probably unconstitutional, but we will never know as no one challenged it. At least in the court system. But I have to admit to me it did seem like the right and human thing to do. I thought he overstepped his authority, but at the time I didn't worry about it.
 
Mr. Boehner said NO to immigration votes for the rest of the year today.
Is this the majority opinion of the American people want?
We know what DEMs/GOPs think.
What do the rest of you want/think--action or inaction?
Should the President have moved assets to the borders today to deal with a problem everyone is blaming on everyone else ?
 
Obama is pretty pathetic.
Seems he now may want stronger border security.
Yet when States like Arizona wanted to help in the illegal immigration issue, the Feds under Obama sued the State, NSA revoked some country agreements (even though the feds provided training) that allowed local law enforcement to assist ICE, etc.

It would'nt be so pathetic if Obama had worked with the border States years ago. Too late now, his latest speach pretty much decided which way I will vote this next election.

Maybe he can do some good in securing the borders. If its amnesty for illegals he has in mind by EO, hopefully the next President can reverse the EO.
 
Why is Obama called the Deporter-in-Chief so derisively by some Hispanic American groups ?
 
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