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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When did he gain the power to legislate? We're not supposed to have a king.
    Exactly. The next two years are going to be fun!
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    The GOP filibusters in the Senate and quivers in the House.
    This is RE-gressive, not PROGRESS--ive .
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    Forget the GOP they're just as bad as the progressives.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    It seems that one man's dictator is another man's effective leader.

    For example, the folks who are whining, "Dictator! Dictator!," have no real big problem with the GOP dominated congress that dictates a stagnant, filibustering, stonewalling agenda that dictates that the sitting president is unable to carry out any and all measures he was voted into office to do and carry out the majority will of America, who voted him into office, twice.

    It's kinda weak if you ask me but whatever. Myself, I'm glad to see Obama growing a nutsack and telling these obstructionists to take a hike. It's long overdue.

    Just my two-cents though.

    Obstructionists? WTF? They voted in Obamacare without even reading it. That doesn't sound obstructionist to me.
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The GOP filibusters in the Senate and quivers in the House.
    This is RE-gressive, not PROGRESS--ive .
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    It seems that one man's dictator is another man's effective leader.

    For example, the folks who are whining, "Dictator! Dictator!," have no real big problem with the GOP dominated congress that dictates a stagnant, filibustering, stonewalling agenda that dictates that the sitting president is unable to carry out any and all measures he was voted into office to do and carry out the majority will of America, who voted him into office, twice.

    It's kinda weak if you ask me but whatever. Myself, I'm glad to see Obama growing a nutsack and telling these obstructionists to take a hike. It's long overdue.

    Just my two-cents though.
    I understand and to a certain extent agree. But in my opinion his problems with congress, with the house started during his first two years. The passage of the ACA to be precise. Remember at that time when it was passed. Well here you go:

    Below are the polls thanks to RCP of public opinion on the ACA when the Senate passed it in November of 2009

    CNN/Opinion Research 12/2-12/3 36% for 61% Against/Oppose +25
    Rasmussen Reports 11/29 - 11/29 41% for 53% Against/Oppose +12
    Gallup 11/20-11/22 44% for 49% Against/Oppose +5
    Ipsos/McClatchy 11/19 - 11/22 34% for 46% Against/Oppose +12
    Rasmussen Reports 11/21 - 11/22 38% for 56% Against/Oppose +18
    FOX News 11/17 - 11/18 35% for 51% Against/Oppose +16
    PPP (D) 11/13 - 11/15 40% for 52% Against/Oppose +12

    Below are the polls thanks to RCP of public opinion on the ACA when the House passed it in March of 2010

    Bloomberg 3/19 - 3/22 38% for 50% Against/Oppose +12
    CNN/Opinion Research 3/19 - 3/21 39% for 59% Against/Oppose +20
    CBS News 3/18 - 3/21 37% for 48% Against/Oppose +11
    Rasmussen Reports 3/19 - 3/20 41% for 54% Against/Oppose +13
    Quinnipiac 3/16 - 3/21 36% for 54% Against/Oppose +18
    Democracy Corps (D) 3/15 - 3/18 40% for 52% Against/Oppose +12
    FOX News 3/16 - 3/17 35% 55% Against/Oppose +20

    Because of this, the ACA and most voters came to the conclusion their Representatives and Senators didn't care what they thought, what they wanted and basically told the people who elected them to stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. As a result 2010 happened. 63 house seats and 6 senate seat changed hands.

    I firmly believe that without the ACA that the Democrats would have very easily retained control of the House. All this other stuff, the agenda with the exception of the ACA would have been fairly easy for the president and a Democratic Congress to pass and sign into law. The way the ACA was forced through congress back in 2009/10 drew the battle lines we see today. It set forth the hyper-partisan atmosphere that exists.

    Now I may be all wet on this, but this is how I see it. There is much more, but if one thing, one event, one happening set the tone we see today, it has to be the ACA.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    It seems that one man's dictator is another man's effective leader.

    For example, the folks who are whining, "Dictator! Dictator!," have no real big problem with the GOP dominated congress that dictates a stagnant, filibustering, stonewalling agenda that dictates that the sitting president is unable to carry out any and all measures he was voted into office to do and carry out the majority will of America, who voted him into office, twice.

    It's kinda weak if you ask me but whatever. Myself, I'm glad to see Obama growing a nutsack and telling these obstructionists to take a hike. It's long overdue.

    Just my two-cents though.
    Of course you're glad to see a dictator -- progressives have been waiting their whole lives for the next Stalin.

    Regardless of the issue - is the action right or wrong??????

    Yeah, he is only circumventing democracy BTW........

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Obama to take executive action on immigration - CNN.com

    Obama finally saying enough is enough. If congress wont come with him, then he will got at it alone. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    it sucks that our two party duopoly is so dysfunctional that this kind of action is even something to be discussed.

    we need to address the fundamental problems in our political system. first point to address : gerrymandering.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Executive orders don't apply to everyone????? that sounds like affirmative action....
    Executive orders only apply to federal agencies, employees.


    Using your logic (which I don't agree with) progressives are even more fascist then I thought.
    Hmmm so executive orders are inherently illegal and "fascist"? Well looks like every single POTUS except 1 was a fascist by your definition.


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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Obstructionists? WTF? They voted in Obamacare without even reading it. That doesn't sound obstructionist to me.
    Well then, lest I be incorrect twice let me get a better understanding. The GOP congress has worked very closely with the president trying to assist him in every way possible to bring the agenda, that was voted for by majority America, twice, to be realized. There were no filibusters. There were no Dr. Suess readings. No government shut downs and the GOP is on record as working hand and hand with the democrats by voting for the things that America wanted Obama to accomplish. They were behind Obamacare all the way.

    Is that better?

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Obama to take executive action on immigration - CNN.com

    Obama finally saying enough is enough. If congress wont come with him, then he will got at it alone. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    It's not Congress' job to, "come with him". It's called, "separation of powers".
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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