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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Completely sealing off a 1,933 mile border. Good luck!
    The Chinese did it over 2000 years ago.

    While you don't need a wall to stop illegal immigration, you do need an actual desire to stop illegal immigration from the federal government.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well why hasnt any of those Presidents "sealed up the border" then? It all that stopping them is not being "questionable", why havent they? It wouldnt be because its damn near impossible would it?


    His name is Barack Obama. Dont you know that?
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The Chinese did it over 2000 years ago.
    And... It failed.


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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Completely sealing off a 1,933 mile border. Good luck!
    Well first, it was done centuries ago by people with far less tech, so you shouldn't dismiss it as impossible, secondly, one mustn't go from the extreme of little or no fence to "completely" sealed off, to be effective, much more effective then what we have. And, had the last dozen administrations put the vast amount of money into preventive maintenance that they put into bandaid cures, a secure border would quite possibly be a done deal by now. But as long as big business is against secure borders, and they get a figurative slap on the wrist for hiring illegal immigrants, and both parties pander to big business, there really is little hope of a secure border.
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    And... It failed.
    the Great Wall continually defended China's border against the steppe nomads for two thousand years.
    History of the Great Wall of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well first, it was done centuries ago by people with far less tech,
    And also using criminal labor, slave labor. And the wall ultimately failed.

    so you shouldn't dismiss it as impossible, secondly, one mustn't go from the extreme of little or no fence to "completely" sealed off, to be effective, much more effective then what we have.
    We already have a vast fence.

    And, had the last dozen administrations put the vast amount of money into preventive maintenance that they put into bandaid cures, a secure border would quite possibly be a done deal by now.
    Really? How so. Border patrol budget has constantly been on the rise, and so have immigration and customs enforcement. We are constantly putting more and more money into it. How much is enough?


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    "....the Great Wall failed to stop enemies, including in 1644 when the Manchu Qing marched through the gates of Shanhai Pass and replaced the most ardent of the wall-building dynasties, the Ming, as rulers of China..... Historians such as Arthur Waldron and Julia Lovell are critical of the whole wall-building exercise in light of its ultimate failure in protecting China; the former compared the Great Wall with the failed Maginot Line of the French in World War II." History of the Great Wall of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    "After a few hundred years, the Xiongnu faded into history and the Great Wall was effective enough to keep random barbarian looters away. But when a real danger arose, the Great Wall was again nothing more than a scarecrow.

    Such a situation developed during the late stages of Song Dynasty. The dynasty was politically divided and in a feeble state, and same could have been said about the Great Wall.

    At first the land was overrun by Jurchens, who conquered the capital of Song Kaifeng and imprisoned the whole imperial family and its court. This led to the establishment of the Southern Song Dynasty, which was founded by the remains of the imperial court." The failure of the Great Wall | http://gbtimes.com/

    At the same time, the Jin Dynasty on the northern border had to hold on against offenses from Mongols led by Genghis Khan. By this time, the Great Wall, built by hundreds of thousands of workers, had collapsed in many places. At some point, Mongols were able to find a part of the wall that they could simply ride over.

    And the rest? Mongols overthrew the Jin Dynasty, took control of northern China and soon wiped out all other Chinese dynasties as well. By the year 1271, the Mongol Kublai Khan declared the creation of the Yuan Dynasty, which ruled with a heavy hand over the Chinese until 1368.


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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    And also using criminal labor, slave labor. And the wall ultimately failed.


    We already have a vast fence.


    Really? How so. Border patrol budget has constantly been on the rise, and so have immigration and customs enforcement. We are constantly putting more and more money into it. How much is enough?
    What an argument! Who advocated for slave labor? Criminal labor is fine, and used across the country presently. You do know that there are impenetrable sections of fence on the border now don't you?
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Securing the border is a pipe dream.
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What an argument! Who advocated for slave labor?
    Just saying they had a vast amount of free labor at hand. We dont.

    Criminal labor is fine, and used across the country presently.
    It is and is a highly controversial tactic.

    You do know that there are impenetrable sections of fence on the border now don't you?
    Yes I do. And you said we dont need to completley seal it off but just parts of it. Dont we already have that now? Dont we already have increasing funding? How much more do we "need"?


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