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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    apparently no one does know better this time around. There have been republican controlled houses and senates subsequent to Reagan, and the borders remained open. Open borders are good for big business, don't you understand this. The borders aren't going to be closed. Stop pointing fingers at the smart ass and acknowledge that the dumb elephant has done nothing to secure our borders either. There is a systemic problem that no amount of partisan politics is going to fix.
    did i say either party was more at fault?

    even if i agree that neither side wants to close the border, there is no way in hell we are granting amnesty again

    look at the mess with the kids on the border now....this is becoming a MAJOR nightmare for the president

    this morning i heard we are now doing commercials for both sides of the border asking people NOT to come....yeah right.....that will really work

    those 12-14 million that are here.....they will continue to be undocumented.....

    boehner knows it is political suicide to try and get this through the house

    he isnt that stupid....close but not quite
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    did i say either party was more at fault?

    even if i agree that neither side wants to close the border, there is no way in hell we are granting amnesty again

    look at the mess with the kids on the border now....this is becoming a MAJOR nightmare for the president

    this morning i heard we are now doing commercials for both sides of the border asking people NOT to come....yeah right.....that will really work

    those 12-14 million that are here.....they will continue to be undocumented.....

    boehner knows it is political suicide to try and get this through the house

    he isnt that stupid....close but not quite
    Well many here are engaged in finger pointing, if that's not you, great your interested in fixing the problem. I agree, no amnesty again. But this is a matter of whether or not Americans want closed or open borders, and which group is going to push the hardest for that. Politicians no matter their party, are going to take the path of least resistance. BIG BUSINESS, isn't interested in closed borders, and so far they have ruled the day. We have a bi-partisan systemic problem, what's going to win out, big business, or sound immigration policy?
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ol_Act_of_1986

    Tell me when they were made citizens.
    I think that's a pointless request. The act made them legal. Once they were legal, nothing stopped them from applying for citizenship. I think it would be false to assume a large share didn't become citizens.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I think that you are assigning too much power to the public. Look at the Clinton impeachment. The American public who paid attention to it saw it largely as amusement. There was no outrage. It was a show trial. Nobody really cared about it other than Lindsay Graham and a few other congresscritters. It was a lesson learned in congress that unless there is serious public outrage it's not worth the effort. Because impeachment is a political process and not a criminal proceeding and Americans are largely disengaged politically it's going to take something really extraordinary to make it happen again.

    In addition, nobody in congress really wants to see our first black president recorded in history as being impeached.
    There were also those of us who were appalled at Clinton's lack of integrity.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well first, there was no outrage over the Clinton impeachment because of the reason they were trying to impeach him, hardly injurious to national interest, our constitution, etc. as to Obama, his skin color should be irrelevant if he has violated our nations laws and his oath of office.
    WTF?

    There was lots of concern. This was a point in our history when the country was cracking down on sexual harassment and fraternization with subordinates in the military. He was the Commander in Chief. Now the lawsuit was valid. Nobody is above the law, and he perjured himself. If he had just come clean, and said, yes, I'm a horndog... all would have been forgiven.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    WTF?

    There was lots of concern. This was a point in our history when the country was cracking down on sexual harassment and fraternization with subordinates in the military. He was the Commander in Chief. Now the lawsuit was valid. Nobody is above the law, and he perjured himself. If he had just come clean, and said, yes, I'm a horndog... all would have been forgiven.
    All was forgiven. He remained in office and too many were unconcerned about his sexual prowess in the WH. I don't disagree however that the lawsuit was valid. Just that presidents lie and people die all the time, but no impeachments.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    We may as well disband the Border Patrol......all they are doing is changing diapers at this point. Then run ads in all of the Mexican and Central American newspapers saying welcome all......we have eliminated that old evil White man's border......we welcome all of you low-skilled, low IQ brothers and sisters. Our hospital emergency rooms are open to you as a primary care facility.......lots of charitable organizations will provide you with housing and food until you can start popping out those 'U.S. citizen children'........who are the golden key to the country......with them you get food stamps and all sorts of lovely other welfare plans. But, its really important to get a federal Individual Tax Identification Number.......then you can start filing taxes on your 'income', including claiming all of your nieces and nephews back in Guatemala as 'dependents'........so instead of actually paying taxes you get a 'tax credit' back for way more than you ever thought of paying into the system. Your kids get free medical care and so will you if you act really sick......oh, and did I forget the government mandated bi-lingual education provided to your children free of charge......no need for them to ever learn English. Welcome Jesus and Maria to your new life.........all paid for by me.......

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Obama to take executive action on immigration - CNN.com

    Obama finally saying enough is enough. If congress wont come with him, then he will got at it alone. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Something since the Stimulus Obama has done that I can agree with.

    This country is wholly based on Immigration.

    That and the Rape and Theft from natives. But really, who gives a flying squirrel **** about that anymore?

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well first, there was no outrage over the Clinton impeachment because of the reason they were trying to impeach him, hardly injurious to national interest, our constitution, etc. as to Obama, his skin color should be irrelevant if he has violated our nations laws and his oath of office.
    I agree with you but I think the house shot it's wad with Clinton and nobody has the balls to take on Obama, especially with a democrat senate. That's why Boenhior is half stepping measures by suing him.
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    There were also those of us who were appalled at Clinton's lack of integrity.
    True that.
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