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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You too miss the point. Of course the house and senate prosecute the process, and of course impeachment has legal and constitutional basis. But Americans, and members of the House and Senate are Americans, too, don't hold there presidents accountable. Just look around DP. It's a daily orgasmic frenzy of right wingers piling on Obama, and mostly correctly pointing out wrong doing, even unconstitutional action. And the partisan lefties are wore plum out by them, justifying, defending and excusing their president. I'm talking about partisan democrats in the house and senate as well. The exact opposite was the case during the last administration. If a GOPer should happen to win the WH next go around, stay tuned, because you will see a complete roll reversal on this board. Very few here acknowledge the sins of presidents from both parties, and want to see an end to corruption in Washington. Same being true across the country and the reason that it persists, and likely never will end.
    I think that you are assigning too much power to the public. Look at the Clinton impeachment. The American public who paid attention to it saw it largely as amusement. There was no outrage. It was a show trial. Nobody really cared about it other than Lindsay Graham and a few other congresscritters. It was a lesson learned in congress that unless there is serious public outrage it's not worth the effort. Because impeachment is a political process and not a criminal proceeding and Americans are largely disengaged politically it's going to take something really extraordinary to make it happen again.

    In addition, nobody in congress really wants to see our first black president recorded in history as being impeached.
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    As stated in his statement, he will try to identify additional actions his administration can take within his existing legal authorities to deal with that problem. It's clear that the type of actions that will be taken will be limited at some extent. I am wondering which type of actions will he take? Is it going to be providing those who are here illegally legal status?

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/history/35th/thelaw/irca.html

    That's the link I've found closest to what you are talking about. What part where you referring to?

    SEC. 111. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS FOR ENFORCEMENT AND "8 USC 1101 note" SERVICE ACTIVITIES OF THE IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE.

    (a) TWO ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS. -- It is the sense of Congress that two essential elements of the program of immigration control established by this Act are --

    (1) an increase in the border patrol and other inspection and enforcement activities of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and of other appropriate Federal agencies in order to prevent and deter the illegal entry of aliens into the United States and the violation of the terms of their entry, and

    (2) an increase in examinations and other service activities of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and other appropriate Federal agencies in order to ensure prompt and efficient adjudication of petitions and applications provided for under the Immigration and Nationality Act. "8 USC 1101 note"

    basically as i remember it, he okayed the bill because he was promised that we would finally close off the border

    he gave amnesty to those already here, IF congress agreed to block anymore from coming

    now, we know completely shutting it off is nearly impossible, but allowing 300-400k undocumented aliens to cross annually is nowhere close to closed
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Obama to take executive action on immigration - CNN.com

    Obama finally saying enough is enough. If congress wont come with him, then he will got at it alone. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I think that you are assigning too much power to the public. Look at the Clinton impeachment. The American public who paid attention to it saw it largely as amusement. There was no outrage. It was a show trial. Nobody really cared about it other than Lindsay Graham and a few other congresscritters. It was a lesson learned in congress that unless there is serious public outrage it's not worth the effort. Because impeachment is a political process and not a criminal proceeding and Americans are largely disengaged politically it's going to take something really extraordinary to make it happen again.

    In addition, nobody in congress really wants to see our first black president recorded in history as being impeached.
    Well first, there was no outrage over the Clinton impeachment because of the reason they were trying to impeach him, hardly injurious to national interest, our constitution, etc. as to Obama, his skin color should be irrelevant if he has violated our nations laws and his oath of office.
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Reagan did it back then as his way of weakening union labor strength.

    on another note... it's corporate America that is the carrot that these people come here for. And when I finally see Republicans embracing laws in mass to throw these white collars in prison instead of attacking the brown people lured here by them... I'll then start believing Republicans give a damn about anything regarding immigration.
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    SEC. 111. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS FOR ENFORCEMENT AND "8 USC 1101 note" SERVICE ACTIVITIES OF THE IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE.

    (a) TWO ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS. -- It is the sense of Congress that two essential elements of the program of immigration control established by this Act are --

    (1) an increase in the border patrol and other inspection and enforcement activities of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and of other appropriate Federal agencies in order to prevent and deter the illegal entry of aliens into the United States and the violation of the terms of their entry, and

    (2) an increase in examinations and other service activities of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and other appropriate Federal agencies in order to ensure prompt and efficient adjudication of petitions and applications provided for under the Immigration and Nationality Act. "8 USC 1101 note"

    basically as i remember it, he okayed the bill because he was promised that we would finally close off the border

    he gave amnesty to those already here, IF congress agreed to block anymore from coming

    now, we know completely shutting it off is nearly impossible, but allowing 300-400k undocumented aliens to cross annually is nowhere close to closed

    Really? What does "close off the border" mean to you?
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    His problem is he can't legally.
    Just as many people viewed many things Bush did as illegal, partisan support was sufficient to provide him an avenue. The same will be the case here. There won't be enough people who agree that what he does (or has done) is illegal. The hazards of blind partisan support that all presidents enjoy.
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Really? What does "close off the border" mean to you?
    what does "prevent and deter the illegal entry of aliens into the united states" mean to you?
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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Just as many people viewed many things Bush did as illegal, partisan support was sufficient to provide him an avenue. The same will be the case here. There won't be enough people who agree that what he does (or has done) is illegal. The hazards of blind partisan support that all presidents enjoy.
    it's going to be funny when the next guy/gal gets into office, and their views counter yours

    with the precedents that this administration has set as far as not following the law, or circumventing the law, or making it up as they go.....

    think of what a libertarian or a conservative will do.....

    whats good for the goose is good for the gander.....

    you think they are going to go back to playing the game the right way? nfw

    new rules are now set.....

    enjoy them while you have them.....

    you may not like things as much later
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