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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Obama to take executive action on immigration - CNN.com

    Obama finally saying enough is enough. If congress wont come with him, then he will got at it alone. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    "Finally"? He's already basically said that in general, and as it relates to immigration in various ways. Where's the "finally" here.

    Unless he somehow finagles as way to declare illegal's able to vote by fiat, this'll just help assure that he'll need to continue to attempt over reaching executive action with a flippant disregard for the constitution after congress is in complete opposition party control. Immigration is a hot button issue and not one that's going to play to the Democratic advantage.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Obama can sign any executive order he wishes. ALL he can do is more of what he has been doing...refuse to secure the borders. He can, by executive order, declare that the INS NOT enforce existing law. He MAY NOT impose new law. He cant impose amnesty. He cant create legislation. He can by executive order alter how existing legislation is enacted. In other words...he can more intentionally continue to **** things up.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That deflection doesn't work with knowing how wrong he gets things. Which dealing with Mexico is FP. Which doesn't count the money he just gave to Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. Clearly he is lacking there too.
    This is a border problem, and internal political problem. The only way this plays into foreign policy is with the "war on drugs" and also with "free trade" policy.


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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This is a border problem, and internal political problem. The only way this plays into foreign policy is with the "war on drugs" and also with "free trade" policy.
    Its more than a Border Problem and its more than just a domestic issue. As the Map shows.


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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    They should be sent back. Children need to be with their parents.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Hope Obama doesn't say "enough is enough" about the right to vote.

    Time to define the power of EOs, folks. Past time.
    I wish I trusted that man more.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Its more than a Border Problem and its more than just a domestic issue. As the Map shows.

    As I said "free trade". I dont see how foreign aid is causing this problem.


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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    As I said "free trade". I dont see how foreign aid is causing this problem.

    Foreign Policy and not just aid.....NGO's and NFP's geared to help them realize that Illegal Immigration isn't tolerated with the US. Plus Diplomacy with Mexico about allowing mass migrations trapse thru their country. They do have the means to cut off the spiket so to speak.

    Can't miss it.....and of course their stance that these people are not committing crimes has nothing to do with US law. So they need to be talked with so they have a very clear understanding of what the US is saying.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by avery45 View Post
    They should be sent back. Children need to be with their parents.
    I agree, but we have to careful with that line of reasoning. Pelosi would love to bring the parents here because parents deserve to be with their children. Our continued sovereignty requires secure borders and a defined path to immigration. Not all who show up at my door gain entry.

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    Re: Obama to take executive action on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Foreign Policy and not just aid.....NGO's and NFP's geared to help them realize that Illegal Immigration isn't tolerated with the US.
    NGO's are non governmental and are outside the reach of the federal government. If a NGO like that exists then by all means support them

    Plus Diplomacy with Mexico about allowing mass migrations trapse thru their country. They do have the means to cut off the spiket so to speak.
    What should Mexico do specifically? Its kinda hard to stop the free movement of people.

    Can't miss it.....and of course their stance that these people are not committing crimes has nothing to do with US law. So they need to be talked with so they have a very clear understanding of what the US is saying.
    My stance is this. The signing of NAFTA and the spreading of "free trade" throughout Mexico and the Americas lead to a vast amounts of subsidized crops and false promises of "more factory" jobs lead to many farmers and industrial jobs to be destroyed in Mexico and the Americas leading to an expansive drug trade and increased migration.

    "One of the largely overlooked aspects of the North American Free Trade Agreement is the fact that the failed trade pact has been the catalyst for the massive increase in illegal immigration over the past two decades or so.

    An influx of highly subsidized corn flooding the Mexican market has displaced millions of rural farmers, according to McClatchy Newspapers. Prior to the implementation of NAFTA, Mexican officials claimed that factory jobs would fill the void left by disappearing work on family farms.

    Mexican officials had promised that NAFTA would result in the “export of goods, not people.” That, however, has turned out to be far from reality.

    Since NAFTA was signed into law, illegal immigrants in the U.S. has increased to 12 million today from 3.9 million in 1993, accounting for an overall increase of over 300 percent. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, 57 percent of those entering the country illegally are from Mexico."
    Illegal Immigration and NAFTA | Economy In Crisis


    Wave Of Illegal Immigrants Gains Speed After NAFTA : NPR


    "The increases in pork and corn imports were among many economic changes brought about by NAFTA and concurrent neoliberal reforms to the Mexican economy, such as ending land reform. Companies like Smithfield benefited from these changes, but poverty increased also, especially in the countryside.

    In a 2005 study for the Mexican government, the World Bank found that the extreme rural poverty rate of 35 percent in 1992–94, before NAFTA, jumped to 55 percent in 1996–98, after NAFTA took effect—the years when Ortega and Ceja left Mexico. This could be explained, the report said, “mainly by the 1995 economic crisis, the sluggish performance of agriculture, stagnant rural wages, and falling real agricultural prices.”

    By 2010, according to the Monterrey Institute of Technology, 53 million Mexicans were living in poverty—half the country’s population. About 20 percent live in extreme poverty, almost all in rural areas.

    The growth of poverty, in turn, fueled migration. In 1990, 4.5 million Mexican-born people lived in the United States. A decade later, that population had more than doubled to 9.75 million, and in 2008 it peaked at 12.67 million. About 5.7 million were able to get some kind of visa; another 7 million couldn’t but came nevertheless." How US Policies Fueled Mexico's Great Migration | The Nation


    "Aside from these issues, how does NAFTA apply to undocumented immigration? When first proposed, NAFTA was supposed to be the quick fix for Mexicans illegally crossing the border and heading for the United States. The predicted growth of the Mexican economy was supposed to be enough to create more competitive jobs in Mexico, and thus reduce the incentive for migration, but this has not been the case. The rise of undocumented immigration since NAFTA was established can be attributed to a few factors:

    Along with the reduction of tariffs, NAFTA also allowed for the United States to grant large subsidies to American farmers. In doing so, American farmers were then able to export agricultural goods at a much lower price, undermining the Mexican farmers who had previously been reliant on exports to the United States. This pushed many Mexican farmers off the land, and encouraged them to flee to the United States illegally. (33)

    Secondly, NAFTA’s tariff reductions allowed for certain big American firms, such as Wal-Mart, to enter the Mexican market, and their lower prices also drove many Mexicans out of work, to the tune of 28,000 small businesses eliminated. (34)" The Immigration Debate: NAFTA


    "The combination of free trade and heavy U.S. subsidies has crippled the Mexican agricultural sector, causing impoverished former subsistence farmers to immigrate to the U.S. by any means necessary." Free Trade and Immigration: Cause and Effect

    http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstrea.../2/jaae453.pdf


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