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Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge[W:513,870]

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tres borrachos said:
So you aren't a lawyer, you aren't a judge, you have no training or education on the subject, but you go ahead and lob personal attacks on the judges who you disagree with?

Let me know when you can be serious and have an honest discussion. I have no interest in showing disrespect to the judges on any side.

Good night.
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I've cited cases and put a lot of information about rulings in this thread. You've completely ignored these posts and opt to make this personal. I've not done this to you unless you are one of these justices that I said are morons... I don't think I've said one thing to or about you that is insulting in this thread. When I start going personal on you as you have me, then you might have some ground to stand on.
 
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poweRob said:
Have I insulted any other poster on this forum? No?

I believe I do reserve the right to voice my opinion on what I think of public figures in this forum... or do I not?

Now, once again... is the topic me or what?
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Nobody said anything about insulting other posters unless you believe that the SCOTUS judges post on this board.

Voice your opinion on the judges. You did it. And I called you out on your partisan hackery and unsubstantiated partisan hackery. Have a nice night. I am honoring the moderators' instructions and not posting any more about you.

Back to topic.

Two days after this decision, I'm more convinced than ever it was the right one.
 
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buck said:
Lena Dunham. She has a show on Showtime (I think it was) called "Girls". Sadly she's not pixelated in the show, but it is good, even though it certainly is written by a lefty (her).
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Thanks for the warning. I'll pass on it.
 
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TheNextEra said:
You obviously never read the posts from conservatives on Roberts decision after deciding WITH the ACA right?
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Well since I was posting here when he made that ruling, no. But what does it have to do with me? Nothing.

I didn't call Roberts names then. I disagreed vehemently when the SCOTUS ruled in favor of eminent domain, which is about as intrusive as any ruling I've ever seen, and I never once called the judges names. They earned respect.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Well since I was posting here when he made that ruling, no. But what does it have to do with me? Nothing.

I didn't call Roberts names then. I disagreed vehemently when the SCOTUS ruled in favor of eminent domain, which is about as intrusive as any ruling I've ever seen, and I never once called the judges names. They earned respect.
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I didn't say it had anything to do with you personally, but you asked if there was ever such disrespect for a SCOTUS judge and the answer is YES there was. It was against Roberts after his decision and it came from right leaning members.
 
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TheNextEra said:
I didn't say it had anything to do with you personally, but you asked if there was ever such disrespect for a SCOTUS judge and the answer is YES there was. It was against Roberts after his decision and it came from right leaning members.
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When did I ask if there was ever such disrespect for SCOTUS judges? Post number?

I call out partisan hackery when I see it.

I don't disrespect judges or call them idiots, boys or morons.
 
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tres borrachos said:
When did I ask if there was ever such disrespect for SCOTUS judges? Post number?

I call out partisan hackery when I see it.

I don't disrespect judges or call them idiots, boys or morons.
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bubbabgone said:
Oh no. Not fallacious. His message is fully in sync with his politics.
This may shock you but there have been Leftist clergy before that guy.
Look up Daniel & Philip Berrigan and fast forward to Jeremiah Wright.
The Huffington Post should have raised a red flag for ya.
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So what did the author have to say about Hobby Lobby?
 
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bubbabgone said:
I'd rather not believe that, but every day that goes by demonstrating obvious citizen indifference to what's been happening and their Government dependence, the more worrisome it becomes.
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Yes, for various reasons I have become discouraged. The left so controls the mainstream media, education, and government that it is almost impossible to interject truth into the mix anymore. I keep hoping that there are still enough liberty loving Americans left to band together and turn it around, but any group that tries will be so quickly attacked and demonized that it appears to be a liability very quickly to all but the most committed to principle and core values. I honestly do believe this is the last generation with any hope to do so, and I fear it may be too late for us.

I can't imagine, even 20 years ago, there being the slightest question about Hobby Lobby having the right to select whatever insurance policy or coverage it wanted to provide for its employees or whether it had right to choose whether to provide insurance coverage at all. And now there is a great uproar over its refusal to furnish morning after pills? It is simply mind boggling.
 
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disneydude said:
saving bandwidth......you are correct that the decision limited it to contraceptives, but anyone who has attended law school or otherwise studied jurisprudence understands how thing operate. The conservative lobby will seek to expand this ruling (just as the left seeks to expand other rulings)...its how our system of jurisprudence operates.
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so you are making an assumption that you cannot backup thanks for admitting it conversation over.
 
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TheNextEra said:
I didn't say it had anything to do with you personally, but you asked if there was ever such disrespect for a SCOTUS judge and the answer is YES there was. It was against Roberts after his decision and it came from right leaning members.
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Yes because that ruling gave government way more power than it should have. it basically said that the government has the right to force someone into a commerce transaction as long as they tax you for it.

which the government should have no such power at all.
 
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poweRob said:
Sure they do. Anytime they want to carve their own laws out of whole cloth.

RFRA, is a 1993 United States federal law aimed at preventing laws that substantially burden a person's free exercise of their religion.​

The ACA in no way substantially burdened hobby lobby's executives the free exercise of their religion. If anything, them imposing their religion on their employees is the restrictive force here. The bible says nothing about contraception and in fact, it gives instructions on how to give an abortion when the wife cheats on her husband.

These people are making their religion up as they go and trying to bend laws to them to be applied differently than to everyone else.
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They didn't carve out their own law please show that they did.

Yes the ACA would have by not wanting to provide those 4 contraceptives HL would have been fined millions of dollars. that was a substantially burdened HL. please read the majority opinion.

They are not imposing their religion on their employee in fact this ruling will have 0 impact on their employee's. HL covers 16/20 birth control methods. this ruling does not stop their employee's from getting the other 4 of their own free will. all this ruling says is that the government can't force HL to provide those contraceptives.

I don't see how a cheating husband applies in this case strawman.
prove they are making it up. you can call them a liar but that isn't much proof.

people act like this bans all forms of birth control from women and it doesn't. women still have access to birth control and the agencies that had birth control in their insurance plans will still have it and the places that don't still won't.

this will have 0 effect on women having access to birth control.
anything else is a strawman argument and a distortion of the ruling that was made.

what it did do was put a check into government power of what it can do and that is always a positive.

the SCOTUS has been spot on these past few rulings.
 
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HAve we become an nation of the spoiled? We should be thankful a third party is willing to pay for anything (healthcare, 401K, and many other benefits)
 
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avery45 said:
HAve we become an nation of the spoiled? We should be thankful a third party is willing to pay for anything (healthcare, 401K, and many other benefits)
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yep pretty much.
 
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avery45 said:
HAve we become an nation of the spoiled? We should be thankful a third party is willing to pay for anything (healthcare, 401K, and many other benefits)
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Yes. And going down this progressive path will only make it worse.
 
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Mithros said:
But if that's straight forward then "Christian" corporations will have a competitive advantage over corporations with other religious beliefs. These corporations will have a lower labor cost and we will have to pick up the tab. That certainly seems like a clear violation of the establishment clause.
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Has anyone tried to sue the government over the RFRA being unconstitutional on the basis of violating the establishment clause?
 
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ludin said:
so you are making an assumption that you cannot backup thanks for admitting it conversation over.
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Not at all. Do you have any idea how the Supreme Court operates? Do you understand how jurisprudence works? If so, you wouldn't make such a statement. Try reading a little on Conlaw....
 
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disneydude said:
Not at all. Do you have any idea how the Supreme Court operates? Do you understand how jurisprudence works? If so, you wouldn't make such a statement. Try reading a little on Conlaw....
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there is no way to expound on their ruling just like the muhammad ali case this is a pretty simple ruling and straight to the point.
only someone taking a broad scope and really liberal ruling would extend it any further than what it went.

please read the majority ruling in fact i posted it for you and you ignored it.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Post 1141
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Post 1141:

Your post was filled with insults against the judges..."idiot boy Scalia"? "Conservative morons"?

I challenge you to find one post from me on this thread or any other that disrespects the SCOTUS jurists in that way. Your post was a personal attack on the judges. Show your expertise in the Constitution, or be prepared to have your posts called out as nothing but partisan hackery

Another lie from you. I asked him to find one post from me disrespecting any SCOTUS judge. I did not ask for examples of posts made by anyone else.

Stop making up things please.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
Yes, for various reasons I have become discouraged. The left so controls the mainstream media, education, and government that it is almost impossible to interject truth into the mix anymore. I keep hoping that there are still enough liberty loving Americans left to band together and turn it around, but any group that tries will be so quickly attacked and demonized that it appears to be a liability very quickly to all but the most committed to principle and core values. I honestly do believe this is the last generation with any hope to do so, and I fear it may be too late for us.

I can't imagine, even 20 years ago, there being the slightest question about Hobby Lobby having the right to select whatever insurance policy or coverage it wanted to provide for its employees or whether it had right to choose whether to provide insurance coverage at all. And now there is a great uproar over its refusal to furnish morning after pills? It is simply mind boggling.
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We are totally in sync, my friend.
I've said the same things before right here.
 
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Conservative said:
Really no sense in carrying this discussion further, you seem to believe that the bureaucrats in D.C. have the answers and look for a one size fits all solution to your local problems. That is never going to happen. Either get involved in local politics, attract new businesses to your area, or simply do what you are doing being part of the victim mentality. Wonder which one will lead to success?
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Not everyone who disagrees with right wingers is a victim. I'm sure no "victim" of anything. We just don't agree. But we're not going to have a productive conversation on this.... Oh well.
 
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Ockham said:
Yeah we have that now, it's called the VA.... oops.
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Typical response. If you look at the best healthcare systems in the world, none of them are structured anything LIKE the VA, which is socialized medicine on the UK model. Most of them have a lot more in common with the ACA than Medicare in fact - with large roles for private insurance companies. The key distinction is we're the only one (afaik) that allows for profit insurers into the middle of the provider=>patient relationship incentivized to skim as much as possible off the top to divert to shareholders.

And all the best ones have most, sometimes nearly all, services provided by private, as opposed to government owned, entities. So bringing up the VA is just a strawman.
 
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JasperL said:
Not everyone who disagrees with right wingers is a victim. I'm sure no "victim" of anything. We just don't agree. But we're not going to have a productive conversation on this.... Oh well.
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Yes, and not everyone that gets help from that 3.8 trillion dollar federal govt. actually needs that help as there is significant waste, fraud, and abuse. Until that is solved why would you support sending more money to the Federal Govt?
 
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JasperL said:
Typical response. If you look at the best healthcare systems in the world, none of them are structured anything LIKE the VA, which is socialized medicine on the UK model. Most of them have a lot more in common with the ACA than Medicare in fact - with large roles for private insurance companies. The key distinction is we're the only one (afaik) that allows for profit insurers into the middle of the provider=>patient relationship incentivized to skim as much as possible off the top to divert to shareholders.

And all the best ones have most, sometimes nearly all, services provided by private, as opposed to government owned, entities. So bringing up the VA is just a strawman.
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I keep hearing how good healthcare is in other countries and yet still see leaders of those countries as well as citizens coming to this country for procedures. Wonder whY? how many here actually have received other country healthcare?
 
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Conservative said:
What is your expertise to make that statement? How often have you used foreign healthcare? Ever hear the saying that the grass is greener on the other side until you get there? Love liberal experts like you who ignore how many foreigners are coming to this country for treatment abandoning their own health care system. Wonder why?
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You don't have evidence on your side in that argument. How many ARE coming here? In 2008, McKenzie estimated 80,000 per year (pop Europe, about 800 million. Pop Canada, about 35 million, etc.). At least 10 times more Americans travel abroad for care. Somewhat less than 0.5% of Canadians get care in the U.S., and many of those who do were here and received medical care for illnesses that had nothing to do with medical tourism. They got care where they got sick or injured.

Etc.
 
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