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Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge[W:513,870]

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Moot said:
Jasper made an excellent point that shines a spot light on conservative hypocrisy.

Conservatives want women to be responsible for their sex lives and then set up barriers to prevent them controlling their sex lives.


Here's another one.....

Conservatives say they want to repeal Obamacare but then want to sue Obama for not implementing Obamacare fast enough.
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Nice rant, carry that message to the polls also telling the people that conservatives want to starve kids, kill seniors, and destroy the atmosphere. How long do you think you can perpetuate these lies.

Women have access to healthcare and nothing in this ruling changes that. Women have access to free birth control pills from Planned Parenthood and nothing is going to change that. Keep spouting the lies and distortions which appeal to the low information voters most of whom still believe Obama rhetoric. Your problem is you aren't dealing with low information voters when you post to conservatives. We tried to tell you about Obama and you ignored it, still ignoring it. Says a lot about liberals.
 
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Zyphlin said:
No, it POTENTIALLY allows for it. And before you pull the bull**** "read the rulings", I have. The verdict is specific to this case. While it's POSSIBLE that it could be used at a future time for other issues, it is not a certainty or a guarantee and presenting it as FACT is simply incorrect.
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A Supreme Court opinion is ALWAYS specific to the case it is addressing. You have to understand how to read the "holding" of the case and understand the ramifications of the decision. This is what jurisprudence is all about and how our court system operates. It would be incredibly naive to believe that this ruling is limited to Hobby Lobby. That isn't the way the Supreme Court operates.
 
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mtm1963 said:
these companies like hobby lobby are NOT changing their coverage on contraception because of this ruling. they will maintain what have already in place.

stop pushing the false narrative that these companies are going to cancel contraception coverage in their insurance policies they now provide for their employees because of this ruling.

hobby lobby covers 16 of 20 contraception methods approved by the FDA.

why would they suddenly change and say no to ALL contraception coverage?
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It isn't a false narrative at all. The conservative lobby was greatly anticipating this ruling and will push the ruling as far as they can. (The left would do the same if the pages were turned....thats how our system operates. I'm not faulting the system...just indicating what the ramifications will be).
Don't think for a second that you aren't going to see boundaries pushed as a result of this. It would probably be the first time in the history of this country if they weren't.
 
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Conservative said:
Nice rant, carry that message to the polls also telling the people that conservatives want to starve kids, kill seniors, and destroy the atmosphere. How long do you think you can perpetuate these lies.

Women have access to healthcare and nothing in this ruling changes that. Women have access to free birth control pills from Planned Parenthood and nothing is going to change that. Keep spouting the lies and distortions which appeal to the low information voters most of whom still believe Obama rhetoric. Your problem is you aren't dealing with low information voters when you post to conservatives. We tried to tell you about Obama and you ignored it, still ignoring it. Says a lot about liberals.
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LOL....we don't have to "keep perpetuating these lies" because the Conservative Lobby and Republican platform are clear for everyone to see. Have you read the recent wacko extremist Texas Republican platform? Yow!!!! It makes the national Republican platform look moderate.
 
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disneydude said:
LOL....we don't have to "keep perpetuating these lies" because the Conservative Lobby and Republican platform are clear for everyone to see. Have you read the recent wacko extremist Texas Republican platform? Yow!!!! It makes the national Republican platform look moderate.
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Why is it you have been a wage slave all your life and never gone into business for yourself so you can help rectify all the problems you see with business? It is easier spending someone else's money, isn't it. Bet you don't do well when someone dictates to you what you can or cannot do with your own money. Seems like a rather simple concept, conservatives don't really care how much you make, how much you pay in taxes, how much you pay employees so why do you? Personal responsibility is a foreign concept to you so why would anyone take a job that doesn't provide them with the benefits you think you deserve or want.
 
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disneydude said:
A Supreme Court opinion is ALWAYS specific to the case it is addressing. You have to understand how to read the "holding" of the case and understand the ramifications of the decision. This is what jurisprudence is all about and how our court system operates. It would be incredibly naive to believe that this ruling is limited to Hobby Lobby. That isn't the way the Supreme Court operates.
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it isn't just limited to hobby lobby but it all closely held corporations. it does however only affect contraception.
Majority opinion written by Alito
"This decision concerns only the contraceptive mandate and should not be understood to mean that all insurance mandates, that is for blood transfusions or vaccinations, necessarily fail if they conflict with an employer's religious beliefs."

women still have access to BC and will still be covered under BC. SCOTUS just said that closely held companies do not have to offer all possible BC.
if they still want those then they can still buy them.
 
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disneydude said:
It isn't a false narrative at all. The conservative lobby was greatly anticipating this ruling and will push the ruling as far as they can. (The left would do the same if the pages were turned....thats how our system operates. I'm not faulting the system...just indicating what the ramifications will be).
Don't think for a second that you aren't going to see boundaries pushed as a result of this. It would probably be the first time in the history of this country if they weren't.
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the liberal lobby is pushing this as a complete disaster for women's health care in this country and are being misleading about what the ruling means.

for conservatives its a victory for religious freedom.
 
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And the divided right-wing will pay the price at the polls this November, even according to Republican pollsters who report a galvanized female vote for DEMs.
mtm1963 said:
the liberal lobby is pushing this as a complete disaster for women's
health care in this country and are being misleading about what the ruling means.
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For conservatives its a victory for religious freedom.
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How's that TEA-partier doing in Tennessee against Lamar in the Senate primary ?
 
NIMBY said:
Well now you have a government not passing any legislation so you should be happy.
Just eliminate the federal gov't altogether since they are completely worthless .
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didn't we have a thread a few weeks back with the left declaring the republicans were hurting this nation, because of the things they were doing.

here your are telling me they are doing nothing.
 
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NIMBY said:
And the divided right-wing will pay the price at the polls this November, even according to Republican pollsters who report a galvanized female vote for DEMs.


How's that TEA-partier doing in Tennessee against Lamar in the Senate primary ?
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the november vote is about turn out. democrats will not turn out in high numbers. republicans win big time.

lamar is the winner.
 
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Conservative said:
Nice rant, carry that message to the polls also telling the people that conservatives want to starve kids, kill seniors, and destroy the atmosphere. How long do you think you can perpetuate these lies.

Women have access to healthcare and nothing in this ruling changes that. Women have access to free birth control pills from Planned Parenthood and nothing is going to change that. Keep spouting the lies and distortions which appeal to the low information voters most of whom still believe Obama rhetoric. Your problem is you aren't dealing with low information voters when you post to conservatives. We tried to tell you about Obama and you ignored it, still ignoring it. Says a lot about liberals.
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Lies and distortions....Pretty funny. Tell us about your last visit to Planned Parenthood. I'm pretty lucky. If I needed to visit PP, one is 'only' a half hour away. The next closest is 2 hours away, in another state, but that shouldn't be a burden to anyone. Poor women just need to take a day off per month to get contraception. I'm sure you wouldn't mind that if you had to drive 150 miles once a month to get your drugs.
 
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JasperL said:
Lies and distortions....Pretty funny. Tell us about your last visit to Planned Parenthood. I'm pretty lucky. If I needed to visit PP, one is 'only' a half hour away. The next closest is 2 hours away, in another state, but that shouldn't be a burden to anyone. Poor women just need to take a day off per month to get contraception. I'm sure you wouldn't mind that if you had to drive 150 miles once a month to get your drugs.
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they can get their drugs anywhere. so why do you continue this strawman?
 
NIMBY said:
Well now you have a government not passing any legislation so you should be happy.
Just eliminate the federal gov't altogether since they are completely worthless .
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Drama queen much?

Many liberals (for different reasons) agree the ACA was poorly conceived legislation. Many were rather shocked to find out the perpetrators of that POS outright lied about the scope and reach. This latest wormhole is just another example of why it is such an utter POS.

Is ALL government 'completely worthless'? No. Is our current government 'completely worthless'? Yes. Worthless and worse.
 
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Conservative said:
Why is it you have been a wage slave all your life and never gone into business for yourself so you can help rectify all the problems you see with business? It is easier spending someone else's money, isn't it. Bet you don't do well when someone dictates to you what you can or cannot do with your own money. Seems like a rather simple concept, conservatives don't really care how much you make, how much you pay in taxes, how much you pay employees so why do you? Personal responsibility is a foreign concept to you so why would anyone take a job that doesn't provide them with the benefits you think you deserve or want.
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It's a mystery, what with the recession and high unemployment why any poor person with limited skills doesn't hold out for $20, $30 bucks an hour, full medical, no deductible. You should tell the millions of workers in necessary, low wage jobs that make this economy work that they need to just get a better job if they want health care.
 
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Conservative said:
Why is it you have been a wage slave all your life and never gone into business for yourself so you can help rectify all the problems you see with business? It is easier spending someone else's money, isn't it. Bet you don't do well when someone dictates to you what you can or cannot do with your own money. Seems like a rather simple concept, conservatives don't really care how much you make, how much you pay in taxes, how much you pay employees so why do you? Personal responsibility is a foreign concept to you so why would anyone take a job that doesn't provide them with the benefits you think you deserve or want.
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Oh....how little you know. My husband actually owns his own business, so in a sense, I do as well.
 
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ludin said:
it isn't just limited to hobby lobby but it all closely held corporations. it does however only affect contraception.
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Correct. The dicta of the decision however leaves open the possibility and raises the question how far can a religion push their beliefs into medical decisions.
 
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mtm1963 said:
the liberal lobby is pushing this as a complete disaster for women's health care in this country and are being misleading about what the ruling means.

for conservatives its a victory for religious freedom.
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Oh...I agree that there is rhetoric on both sides misinterpreting the opinion....which is why I invite everyone to read the court's opinion for themselves. I would agree that it is a victory for conservative religious groups.
 
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JasperL said:
Lies and distortions....Pretty funny. Tell us about your last visit to Planned Parenthood. I'm pretty lucky. If I needed to visit PP, one is 'only' a half hour away. The next closest is 2 hours away, in another state, but that shouldn't be a burden to anyone. Poor women just need to take a day off per month to get contraception. I'm sure you wouldn't mind that if you had to drive 150 miles once a month to get your drugs.
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I am very close to Planned Parenthood so the reality is birth control is free and they will even send them to you. Are you really this selfish and expect someone else to pay for your contraception? What has happened to this country with so many like you and that entitlement mentality? Apparently you have no problem spending someone else's money.

I couldn't care how far you have to drive, take responsibility for your own actions.
 
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disneydude said:
Oh....how little you know. My husband actually owns his own business, so in a sense, I do as well.
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Great, so you have no problem with someone else telling you how to spend your money? You seem very vocal when it comes to someone else spending money on your behalf, how about putting the shoe on the other foot? I can tell from most of your posts that you wouldn't be happy if someone told your husband or you what to do with your own earnings. Guess it is true how selfish liberals really are
 
VanceMack said:
agree the ACA was poorly conceived legislation.
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The PPACA didn't go nearly as far as TR, IKE, and Nixon wanted it to.
Many were rather shocked to find out the perpetrators of that POS
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Came from Heritage.
outright lied about the scope and reach.
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Once one throws up the "LIE" card, you create the stalemate we have in D.C.
 
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ludin said:
they can get their drugs anywhere. so why do you continue this strawman?
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I was repeating something someone else wrote- that 'free' contraception is available at any PP office. The point was that's good advice, but might not work out so well in REAL LIFE.

And sure, someone poor CAN get a brand new Lexus, but if they're poor, that might prove difficult in actual reality. I guess I don't understand why it's hard for you guys to admit that there ARE problems of access, especially among the poor, and then just say you don't give a damn. It'd be more honest than pretending that if contraception is denied by a bunch of employers and the easy solution put forth by the SC doesn't work (and it's being challenged in court as we speak), that it's no big deal to lots of women. It will be. So admit it and just say that you couldn't care less and then we're all on the same page.

Heck, it's not like the old system was working. 1.2 million abortions is a decent indication we've got a problem. If you all don't care to take any steps to solve it, that's fine, but then don't be shocked when those who DO try to make policy changes, such as coverage of contraception for 'free,' don't take your suggestions about what works and doesn't and what's a burden for women and what isn't, all that seriously. If you've got better ideas, let's hear them.
 
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JasperL said:
Your insurance has been regulated for decades, with minimum coverage requirements, all kinds of rules about employer plans. Since 2000 there has been a contraception 'mandate' etc. Regulations are as old as the republic, so there's nothing new here except a black muslim kenyan is in the WH and now everything that happens that right wingers don't like is the end of the world as we know it. It's pretty funny.
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Insurance has been regulated so that the customer could have a reasonable expectation of what he/she was buying--truth in advertising and all that. But it has NEVER been regulated like it has been regulated under Obamacare. We have never had our liberties, choices, options, and opportunities restricted about anything as they are under Obamacare. And Obama's race or ethnicity has nothing to do with it so far as I am concerned. Why are you so conscious of it that you felt it necessary to bring it up?
 
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mtm1963 said:
the november vote is about turn out. democrats will not turn out in high numbers. republicans win big time.

lamar is the winner.
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All elections are like no others.
Please assume that Republicans will turn out as in the past and DEMs won't, as an "independent" from TN might .
 
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