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Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge[W:513,870]

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Moot said:
Health care as it is defined for anyone who needs or uses medical care. Why would you think a biological function wouldn't need health care? Women are "persons", too....and they probably have more religious beliefs and medical needs than a corporation does.


Do you think an employee should give up 'their' religious beliefs and individual liberties just because they have to punch a time clock or they need to buy something from a Christian owned store?
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This a lot blather meaning absolutely nothing. For the vast majority of women, birth control is not a necessity to ensure life, limb, and livelihood. It is a luxury.

They could get the same results just as easily simply by abstaining from sexual activity.

If they want birth control, they can pay for it themselves.
 
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Erod said:
Liberals, particularly female liberals, are embarrassing themselves horribly the past 24 hours.

Have you so little self control, or a complete inability to access the many free contraceptives available, that you find it necessary to bully your employer into paying for your sexcapades? Do you not find it your responsibility to manage your reproductive organs?

Sadly pathetic.
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The Green's said they aren't against birth control or contraception. Apparently even some Christians understand the need for birth control....even if you don't.
 
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Top Cat said:
Yes Vance I can hear you gnashing your teeth and stomping your feet. Surprised it took you so long. Just keep your religion out of my government.
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Your government? When did you take over the Govt. to make it yours? It is our govt. and Freedom OF Religion doesn't mean Freedom FROM religion, you seem to not understand the difference between of and from. Your disdain for religion is your choice and you expect that choice to be respected yet do not seem to respect others who have their own money invested in a business to exercise their freedom of choice. That seems to be the problem with liberals today, no respect for opposing points of view as well as no respect for other's freedoms.
 
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I guess Hobby Lobby just wouldn't be a good place to work for a woman that wants free morning after pills for their preferred method of contraception. Ain't life a bitch?
 
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americanwoman said:
Most contraceptives have a co-pay. I have to pay one each month for my pills from my insurance through work. I don't really care about paying because I can and do but they don't even offer a co-pay on certain types which does bother me.
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Under the ACA contraceptives are supposed to be entirely free. It seems you still have one of those inferior policies.
 
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Moot said:
The Green's said they aren't against birth control or contraception. Apparently even some Christians understand the need for birth control....even if you don't.
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Mostly Catholics are the only ones that struggle with that. Christians, in general, don't have a problem with birth control even though most do have a problem with abortions.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Please. Pregnancy is no more a "disease" than the average bowel movement. It is a natural result of the body's normal sexual function; nothing more, and nothing less. Drop the hysteria.
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Please read the post by Lowdown- HE attempted to call it a disease, not me... :doh

I prefer to call it a condition, sort of the sexual and gender opposite of 'blue balls', does that provide a better context for you??? ;)
 
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LowDown said:
Under the ACA contraceptives are supposed to be entirely free. It seems you still have one of those inferior policies.
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My employer was able to 'grandfather' out of that clause. It's not really a bad policy, it's very affordable and somewhat small deductible, it's just the one contraceptive I would prefer is not covered (iud).
 
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Papa bull said:
I guess Hobby Lobby just wouldn't be a good place to work for a woman that wants free morning after pills for their preferred method of contraception. Ain't life a bitch?
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Actually hobby Lobby wouldn't be a good place to work for women who's preferred method of BC failed to work. (think broken condom)

Now just what percentage of women do you think use the Morning After Pill as their PREFERRED method of contraception???
 
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notquiteright said:
Actually hobby Lobby wouldn't be a good place to work for women who's preferred method of BC failed to work. (think broken condom)

Now just what percentage of women do you think use the Morning After Pill as their PREFERRED method of contraception???
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Hmmmm..... almost makes you wonder why this is such a huge big whining deal for the pinko left, doesn't it? One company and four lousy drugs they don't want to provide for free and yet the butt-hurt from the pinko left seems to go on and on and on and on.

Control issues. You lefties got 'em.
 
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Papa bull said:
I guess Hobby Lobby just wouldn't be a good place to work for a woman that wants free morning after pills for their preferred method of contraception. Ain't life a bitch?
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On the contrary, it would be just as good a place to work as it ever was for her. But she will have to - GASP - pay for her own morning after pills unless she wants to use one of the dozens of birth control products that their policy does cover. Oh my. Pay for her own pills that are purely a convenience and not NECESSARY in any way for her health. What a nightmare to even think about such a thing!
 
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notquiteright said:
Please read the post by Lowdown- HE attempted to call it a disease, not me... :doh

I prefer to call it a condition, sort of the sexual and gender opposite of 'blue balls', does that provide a better context for you??? ;)
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I may have been a bit hasty in reading your original post. My apologies.

In any case, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to covering BC as a form of hormone therapy, or if a woman's health could legitimately be shown to be poor enough to warrant it.

Otherwise, however, I'd argue that the responsibility falls upon the woman to pay for her own treatment.
 
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americanwoman said:
No I just wonder if the decision to limit insurance coverage on HL's part is based on religious reasons, why is that not extended to other drugs?
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Church of Christ, Scientist (not Scientology, for clarity), doesn't believe in Medicine or Doctors at all. They believe disease is entirely in the mind, from what I understood from many years ago, and can be dealt with entirely through prayer and a deeper relationship with god. Court cases concerning the medical treatment of children whose parents were some of their members exist in the record.

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/flashbks/xsci/suffer.htm
 
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JasperL said:
And I see you also labor under the delusion that the only employees affected are HL employees.
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How so?
 
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AlbqOwl said:
On the contrary, it would be just as good a place to work as it ever was for her. But she will have to - GASP - pay for her own morning after pills unless she wants to use one of the dozens of birth control products that their policy does cover. Oh my. Pay for her own pills that are purely a convenience and not NECESSARY in any way for her health. What a nightmare to even think about such a thing!
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OMG. How can you suggest that the horror of paying for your own morning after pill if you ever need or want it isn't enough to make women go screaming out the doors of Hobby Lobby to find new employment elsewhere?
 
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It's my understanding that Hobby Lobby provided other means of contraception. Have we become a nation of the spoiled?
 
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Dezaad said:
Church of Christ, Scientist (not Scientology, for clarity), doesn't believe in Medicine or Doctors at all. They believe disease is entirely in the mind, from what I understood from many years ago, and can be dealt with entirely through prayer and a deeper relationship with god. Court cases concerning the medical treatment of children whose parents were some of their members exist in the record.

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/flashbks/xsci/suffer.htm
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Different issue entirely and parents that let their children die have been convicted for their crimes. Believing that seeing a doctor isn't necessary doesn't mean that you believe paying for medical care for others is a sin.
 
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avery45 said:
It's my understanding that Hobby Lobby provided other means of contraception. Have we become a nation of the spoiled?
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hmmmm.... hey.... you might be onto something there.
 
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Papa bull said:
Mostly Catholics are the only ones that struggle with that. Christians, in general, don't have a problem with birth control even though most do have a problem with abortions.
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More than a few Protestant sects are against all birth control, The Eastern Orthodox Church is as well as the Amish communities. I dated a girl briefly in High School who was pentecostal and was taught by her church that every sperm was sacred. I attended her church with her once and the minister/preacher gave a speech about the evils of masturbation. I dropped her like a hot skillet.
 
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Moot said:
2 x $7.25 = $14.50. It would still probably cost an entire months wages to pay for an IUD.

So if it's not a war on women then why is only women's health care singled out?
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Planned Parenthood can accommodate you and your IUD.
Women's healthcare? Oh, you mean abortion. Not healthcare.
Because men don't get abortions.
 
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bubbabgone said:
How so?
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You pointed out the pay of HL, then dismissed any concern of women because HL pays double the minimum wage for full time employees, which is true. Tens of thousands of employers are affected by the SC decision, several dozen have ongoing lawsuits to deny contraception under their insurance, so pointing out HL's pay scale doesn't tell us much.
 
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Papa bull said:
Different issue entirely and parents that let their children die have been convicted for their crimes. Believing that seeing a doctor isn't necessary doesn't mean that you believe paying for medical care for others is a sin.
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No, it is not simply believing that seeing a doctor isn't necessary. They believed it is a form of sin that causes disease, and that seeing a doctor circumvents god's plan. Wriggle wriggle wriggle. Is that wriggling I hear going on?

Nevertheless, I believe that a private business (not publicly traded) should be allowed even this religious freedom. I stand on principle, unlike conservatives who try to disingenuously limit the meaning of this SCOTUS decision. Conservatives like to apply the law where they like its consequences and not where they don't.
 
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Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

Moot said:
2 x $7.25 = $14.50. It would still probably cost an entire months wages to pay for an IUD.


So if it's not a war on women then why is only women's health care singled out
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But you do raise an obvious point ... are you and the Democrats waging a War On Religion?
I mean, there is a Law & a Constitution protecting Religious Rights and everything.
Pretty bold of you.
 
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Papa bull said:
OMG. How can you suggest that the horror of paying for your own morning after pill if you ever need or want it isn't enough to make women go screaming out the doors of Hobby Lobby to find new employment elsewhere?
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I know, I know. The tragedy. The indignity. The cruel heartlessness of it all. But despite my hard heart, mysogynistic disposition, and unacceptableness, I have to stay true to my convictions. I am on a definitive anti-political correctness crusade after all.
 
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JasperL said:
You pointed out the pay of HL, then dismissed any concern of women because HL pays double the minimum wage for full time employees, which is true. Tens of thousands of employers are affected by the SC decision, several dozen have ongoing lawsuits to deny contraception under their insurance, so pointing out HL's pay scale doesn't tell us much.
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I see.

So does it matter how many employers meet the HL religious criteria?
Does it matter how many of those that do, choose to exclude abortifacients from their employees medical coverage?
Does it matter that the abortifacients unavailable through their employee coverage are otherwise available?
If you say yes all that matters, then explain how that should have affected the SC decision which was based on existing Law & the Constitution.
 
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