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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right wing talking points? is that the best you can do. What is preventing you from going to PLANNED PARENTHOOD and getting FREE Birth control pill?

    What rights has a woman lost due to this ruling? Sounds to me like leftwing actions on your part. I don't think it is the employees right to tell a private business owner what benefits to provide for an employee. You want specific benefits, either start your own business or find a company that meets your requirements
    OK, I see you're not interested in addressing any of the points I made.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    First of all, women work for their healthcare benefits, same as you do and everyone on here who gets health insurance from their employer. If they use earned healthcare benefits to obtain contraception, isn't that what being personally responsible is all about. Working a JOB, EARNING benefits, and taking care of healthcare needs? Heck, if the women aren't responsible and do not take advantage of the prescription drug coverage for contraception like it covers most all other prescription drugs, then it won't cost the employer a damn penny because the women will just get abortions when necessary, and they have to pay for that.

    And it's also odd that you want women to be responsible about preventing pregnancy (if that's the goal) and then don't see any problems when an employer puts up barriers that makes it more expensive and far more difficult to be responsible. Instead of getting contraception at the local drugstore, there's no problem making them trek across town, wait in a long line at the PP office right wingers are trying like heck to shut down and defund all over the country. If you want to see more unwanted pregnancies and abortions, that's a damn fine way to make that happen because we can scold people all day long and it won't change human nature. Make something, anything, difficult and inconvenient and costly and people do less of it, no matter how much they need to do that thing.

    Besides, the problem that is so blindingly obvious to us liberals is the right wingers are drawing this line, and on one side is legitimate "healthcare" and on the other are slut pills. And they can't grasp why women are so upset about getting their slut pills taken away, or making them pay for their slut pills out of their own pocket, or jump through unnecessary hoops to get them. Heck, they can just not f*** if they can't afford their own slut pills.

    To lots and lots of women, there is no line there. Healthcare is healthcare, and that emphatically includes contraception and family planning for women of child bearing age.
    What part of FREE from Planned Parenthood do you not understand? Eliminating 4 contraception drugs isn't taking away women's health care. Keep spouting the leftwing lies. You leftwing zealots better understand what Obama is doing to "your" country and "mine." Really is sad

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What part of FREE from Planned Parenthood do you not understand? Eliminating 4 contraception drugs isn't taking away women's health care. Keep spouting the leftwing lies. You leftwing zealots better understand what Obama is doing to "your" country and "mine." Really is sad
    It's more than 4, so if you believe that someone other than left wingers is lying to you, or you just haven't kept up.

    And I see you're again not interested in addressing any actual arguments.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Yes, because the Democrats feed on the irresponsibility of the subjects they placate, brainwash, and control.
    That's not it. Here's the comment:

    "Have you so little self control, or a complete inability to access the many free contraceptives available, that you find it necessary to bully your employer into paying for your sexcapades? Do you not find it your responsibility to manage your reproductive organs?

    Sadly pathetic."

    I explained it above. You're putting slut pills on one side of the line (did you learn this from Rush Limbaugh?), and healthcare on the other. It's offensive to many, many women, and the more GOPers repeat that kind of stuff, the more they'll drive women for decades into the democratic party. If you don't understand, that's actually fine.

    What would be GREAT is next time you're in line for any prescription drug (heart disease, cholesterol, high blood pressure, whatever), if you see a women getting a prescription for contraception filled, say REALLY loud, "I sure hope you didn't bully your employer into paying for your slut pills so you can whore around with no consequences!!"

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Again....obviously you are missing the big picture. Let me spell it out to you. The court ruling isn't limited to Hobby Lobby nor is it limited to the 4 forms involved. The court ruling invites companies to ban coverage of all birth control based on religious grounds. Got it now?
    That"s your opinion.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The difference is that the court case was about the inability for the ACA contraception mandate to coincide with what an existing law(RFRA) already stated.

    I don't believe anything in the FLSA conflicts with the RFRA, but there hasn't been a case asking for clarification either.
    With all respect, that's not an actual answer. The ACA is a law. The FLSA is a law. Regardless on how you feel about the policies, both are constitutional.

    So if someone could have a religious objection to a provision of the ACA, why not one of the FLSA? Any time SCOTUS rules that a ruling is limited to this case and only this case, it's a tacit acknowledgement that the case wasn't decided on any principled legal argument but rather it was 5 justices legislating from the bench.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm not dancing at all. There are many reasons why it should be the last resort, the obvious, a fairly complex medical procedure is more involved that using a rubber or the pill. Given the choice, I think most people would choose the least involved form.
    That's what I thought you objected to.
    The complexity and risk to one of the entities involved.
    If it's not specified someone might mistakenly think you might have felt a little bad about what was being destroyed.
    That's the game Liberals play all the time so it's important to make it clear.
    Don't you think?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Again....obviously you are missing the big picture. Let me spell it out to you. The court ruling isn't limited to Hobby Lobby nor is it limited to the 4 forms involved. The court ruling invites companies to ban coverage of all birth control based on religious grounds. Got it now?
    Okay.
    Let's say, oh, the NYT says they want to eliminate employee coverage for abortifacients.
    Will they be able to?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Yes, because the Democrats feed on the irresponsibility of the subjects they placate, brainwash, and control.
    basement has noticed this too - lower case.jpg

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That"s your opinion.
    No, not opinion. The SC has officially signed off on at least three cases where Catholic employers won the right to deny coverage for all 20 BC options. And the order itself said "The contraceptive mandate... violates RFRA" as opposed to "these four drugs included in the contraceptive mandate....violate RFRA."

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