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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I misspoke, they'll have access to 16 kinds of contraceptive. If you can't find one that works for you, stay out of the bedroom.
    Again....obviously you are missing the big picture. Let me spell it out to you. The court ruling isn't limited to Hobby Lobby nor is it limited to the 4 forms involved. The court ruling invites companies to ban coverage of all birth control based on religious grounds. Got it now?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    that's non-sense.

    the ruling simple maintains what was all ready in place before the administration decided, not congress, to make all forms of contraception free.
    Wow....you are sadly mistaken. Read the decision.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Who made a decision for me? I missed that.
    It's not who did. Hopefully no one has taken anything from you yet. But, the danger is now there. Your employer's religion can now be used as an excuse to deny you what you are legally entitled to.

    What would be different about a Jehovah's Witness owner making a determination that your heath care which you pay for doesn't cover blood transfusions? Or what about a Scientologist refusing to contribute to mandated prescription drug care? These aren't just hypothetical situations. They're very very real.

    If I'm a business owner and I can use my religious beliefs to avoid paying for something, then I'm certainly going to do it. This gives people with "deeply held" religious beliefs a governmentally derived benefit which is a CLEAR violation of the establishment clause.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The purpose of ACA was to insure what Obama said was 40 plus million uninsured AMERICANS and reduce the costs at the same time. It did neither and those here that continue to spout that rhetoric have the same credibility as Obama.

    I have seen nothing in this ruling that prevents women from getting contraception as if the previous 50 years contraception was unavailable and Obama saved women from unwanted pregnancies. Guess some people will always be gullible and buy what they read and are told rather than doing their own research to verify the rhetoric.
    Goodness, we have 1.2 million abortions per year, and we don't have to guess that most of them occur in poorer areas of the country. Do you think that those women were using reliable contraception? If not, the next question is why not? They WANT to spend $500 on an abortion because they got nothing better to spend their money on? Don't you think that if reliable contraception is made more accessible, particularly to the poor, that the number of abortions and unwanted pregnancies of all kinds might go down a bit?

    All you're doing is spewing right wing talking points. If you have a serious point, such as that cost and/or access posed no barrier to women getting reliable contraception, that's fine. Make that point and we can debate something concrete. But what the research says is making things hard to get and expensive, especially on the budget of a poor person, that few will actually, you know, access it. And when you remove barriers, such as cost, and difficulty, more women use reliable contraception. If you disagree, that's fine, but what part exactly do you disagree with?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Again....obviously you are missing the big picture. Let me spell it out to you. The court ruling isn't limited to Hobby Lobby nor is it limited to the 4 forms involved. The court ruling invites companies to ban coverage of all birth control based on religious grounds. Got it now?
    it's a simple and obvious point. Not sure why it's so hard for some people on here to grasp.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    No, I don't think so.

    Don't get mad at me. SCOTUS rendered the opinion. And they didn't consult with me. (I'd have made myself available for them).
    Why not? What's the legal difference between being legally obligated to compensate your employees with overtime and being legally obligated to compensate your employees with subsidies toward a health care package? Why would someone get to opt out of one but not the other? Is an opposition to birth control somehow a more "reasonable" deeply held moral belief than an opposition to paying overtime?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Goodness, we have 1.2 million abortions per year, and we don't have to guess that most of them occur in poorer areas of the country. Do you think that those women were using reliable contraception? If not, the next question is why not? They WANT to spend $500 on an abortion because they got nothing better to spend their money on? Don't you think that if reliable contraception is made more accessible, particularly to the poor, that the number of abortions and unwanted pregnancies of all kinds might go down a bit?

    All you're doing is spewing right wing talking points. If you have a serious point, such as that cost and/or access posed no barrier to women getting reliable contraception, that's fine. Make that point and we can debate something concrete. But what the research says is making things hard to get and expensive, especially on the budget of a poor person, that few will actually, you know, access it. And when you remove barriers, such as cost, and difficulty, more women use reliable contraception. If you disagree, that's fine, but what part exactly do you disagree with?
    Right wing talking points? is that the best you can do. What is preventing you from going to PLANNED PARENTHOOD and getting FREE Birth control pill?

    What rights has a woman lost due to this ruling? Sounds to me like leftwing actions on your part. I don't think it is the employees right to tell a private business owner what benefits to provide for an employee. You want specific benefits, either start your own business or find a company that meets your requirements

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Why not? What's the legal difference between being legally obligated to compensate your employees with overtime and being legally obligated to compensate your employees with subsidies toward a health care package? Why would someone get to opt out of one but not the other? Is an opposition to birth control somehow a more "reasonable" deeply held moral belief than an opposition to paying overtime?
    The difference is that the court case was about the inability for the ACA contraception mandate to coincide with what an existing law(RFRA) already stated.

    I don't believe anything in the FLSA conflicts with the RFRA, but there hasn't been a case asking for clarification either.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Didn't say it wasn't. Try again.
    And I said it was. No need to try again.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What bothers me more than anything is the entitlement mentality being created in this country today as it is everyone else's fault for personal problems and everyone else's responsibility to provide for personal responsibility issues. I don't get it, grew up learning personal responsibilities and if I made bad choices there were bad consequences. Doesn't seem to be the case today as people want to do whatever they want, get someone else to pay for it, and never accept responsibility for anything.

    Women and men had personal responsibility issues long before ACA and yes there were unwanted pregnancies but the ease at which women and men can get contraception today makes all these claims look foolish. Any woman can go into Planned Parenthood and get birth control pills or you can go to any other women's center and get the same thing but rather than do this the radical left believes it is the taxpayers' responsibilities to fund their personal choice and responsibility issues even though the taxpayer does fund Planned Parenthood.

    I don't get it, women aren't being denied healthcare no matter what the media tells you. This is nothing more than more distortion from the left in an attempt to fire up their base for the upcoming fall elections which will be a liberal disaster.
    First of all, women work for their healthcare benefits, same as you do and everyone on here who gets health insurance from their employer. If they use earned healthcare benefits to obtain contraception, isn't that what being personally responsible is all about. Working a JOB, EARNING benefits, and taking care of healthcare needs? Heck, if the women aren't responsible and do not take advantage of the prescription drug coverage for contraception like it covers most all other prescription drugs, then it won't cost the employer a damn penny because the women will just get abortions when necessary, and they have to pay for that.

    And it's also odd that you want women to be responsible about preventing pregnancy (if that's the goal) and then don't see any problems when an employer puts up barriers that makes it more expensive and far more difficult to be responsible. Instead of getting contraception at the local drugstore, there's no problem making them trek across town, wait in a long line at the PP office right wingers are trying like heck to shut down and defund all over the country. If you want to see more unwanted pregnancies and abortions, that's a damn fine way to make that happen because we can scold people all day long and it won't change human nature. Make something, anything, difficult and inconvenient and costly and people do less of it, no matter how much they need to do that thing.

    Besides, the problem that is so blindingly obvious to us liberals is the right wingers are drawing this line, and on one side is legitimate "healthcare" and on the other are slut pills. And they can't grasp why women are so upset about getting their slut pills taken away, or making them pay for their slut pills out of their own pocket, or jump through unnecessary hoops to get them. Heck, they can just not f*** if they can't afford their own slut pills.

    To lots and lots of women, there is no line there. Healthcare is healthcare, and that emphatically includes contraception and family planning for women of child bearing age.

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