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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    IIt does something far, far worse: It give employers, at least some employers, the ability not to be forced to support and pay for something they have a religious and moral objection too.

    And if my employer has a religious and moral objection to paying overtime, which is a federal provision in the Fair Labor Standards Act, can he opt out of that based on his objections?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    And if my employer has a religious and moral objection to paying overtime, which is a federal provision in the Fair Labor Standards Act, can he opt out of that based on his objections?
    No, I don't think so.

    Don't get mad at me. SCOTUS rendered the opinion. And they didn't consult with me. (I'd have made myself available for them).
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    No, I don't think so.

    Don't get mad at me. SCOTUS rendered the opinion. And they didn't consult with me. (I'd have made myself available for them).
    Their loss, they don't know what they're missing out on.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Their loss, they don't know what they're missing out on.
    What bothers me more than anything is the entitlement mentality being created in this country today as it is everyone else's fault for personal problems and everyone else's responsibility to provide for personal responsibility issues. I don't get it, grew up learning personal responsibilities and if I made bad choices there were bad consequences. Doesn't seem to be the case today as people want to do whatever they want, get someone else to pay for it, and never accept responsibility for anything.

    Women and men had personal responsibility issues long before ACA and yes there were unwanted pregnancies but the ease at which women and men can get contraception today makes all these claims look foolish. Any woman can go into Planned Parenthood and get birth control pills or you can go to any other women's center and get the same thing but rather than do this the radical left believes it is the taxpayers' responsibilities to fund their personal choice and responsibility issues even though the taxpayer does fund Planned Parenthood.

    I don't get it, women aren't being denied healthcare no matter what the media tells you. This is nothing more than more distortion from the left in an attempt to fire up their base for the upcoming fall elections which will be a liberal disaster.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I'd have to agree. ObamaCare, as of yet, has not lived up to any of the promises it was sold on, such as 'you can keep your plan' and 'you can keep your doctor'; the reality being is that you probably can't keep either.

    The same 'sales' job is going on with the Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decision.
    No, it doesn't not cut off contraceptives from the Hobby Lobby employees (16 of 20 contraception medications are still provided, just the 4 abortion inducing ones are not).
    No, it doesn't eliminate women's healthcare.
    No, it doesn't formalize gender discrimination.
    No, it won't prevent the sun from rising.
    No, it doesn't do a lot of things that the Biased Lame Stream Media are all reporting that it does.

    It does something far, far worse: It give employers, at least some employers, the ability not to be forced to support and pay for something they have a religious and moral objection too. It takes away the power of government to force an employer to support and pay for something the have a religious and moral objection too. It strikes at the heart of liberal / progressive doctrine and their delusional self-image of omnipotence in that they know what's best for everyone.

    !! Inexcusable !! Impermissible !!

    As you can see with the fire rhetoric (lies, distortions and propaganda) from the left as well as their leftist allies in the Biased Main Stream Media.

    What it does do, and this'll be an interesting point to observe the development of, is open the door to this and similar scenarios: A Jehovah's Witness owned businesses can now exclude blood transfusions from their employees medical coverage on religious grounds?
    This is nothing more than a ploy from the left to fire up their base and create a false narrative that there is a war on women perpetuated by the right. The Fall elections are going to be a disaster for the Democrats and they are going to pull out all the stops to lie, cheat, and steal in an attempt to get the low information voter back out to the polls. Their entire liberal agenda depends on their ability to stir up so much hatred that there is a run on the polls this fall with a flood of leftwing voters. The misinformation being spewed here is incredible.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    If a person (woman or man) doesn't want to get involved with the birth control of another person (woman or man), I have no desire to punish their uninvolvement. Some are claiming this as proof that I hate women.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I can tell you one thing for sure, the democratic party is hoping the right wing repeats that point over and over and over for the next few months heading into the elections and that every competitive seat has a GOPer making that exact point.
    Yes, because the Democrats feed on the irresponsibility of the subjects they placate, brainwash, and control.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Now to me, no rights per say have been taken away so much as I feel like my company is trying to make decisions for me.
    Thank you. I agree with you that no rights were taken away, that I can see anyway... Which I would guess is why the op-eds probably didn't specify what right was being taken away while still complaining that their rights were being taken away.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Yes it is.

    The cases sent back for review were for Catholic plaintiffs.

    This is the last time I'm going to say this because your insincerity (there's an internet word for it but I won't use it) is tiring.
    HL won their case which was brought because of the mandated abortifacient coverage.
    If any other business objects to any particular mandated coverage & can satisfy the guidelines in the ruling then they will & should be given relief.
    Period.
    End of story.
    And that's the way it is.
    The Judicial system.
    The thread can be closed now.
    I don't mind you disagreeing, but you can't accuse me of being 'insincere' and expect me to ignore that.

    Three cases weren't sent back for any review. I'll list the three: Wider impact of Hobby Lobby ruling? : SCOTUSblog

    Burwell v. Korte. (CA DC)
    Burwell v. Newland. (CA 10)
    Department of Health & Human Services v. Gilardi. (CA7)

    I noted that all three were won by Catholic employers who sued, and WON, the right to deny coverage for any of the 20 forms of BC. They won their cases at the Court of Appeals level, and the only place to go after that is the U.S. Supreme Court. On Tuesday, the SC denied cert., which means the court proceedings are over for those three employers, and the decisions FOR the Catholic employers stand, and there can be no further review. That means the Catholic owners can, today, right now, as we speak, legally deny coverage for ALL forms of BC. They don't have to go back to court, they have won their lawsuits and there is no way for the government to appeal. The SC has denied any review of those cases.

    There is no dispute about this. The SC ruling was broader than just the 4 disputed abortifacients and covered the "contraception mandate" in its entirety. If an employer can reasonably assert that he has a religious objection to ALL contraception, which is the official position of the Catholic Church, among other religions, the SC has said, clearly and unambiguously, that the business he owns can deny coverage for ALL types of BC.

    If you disagree, give me a link. But insulting me or accusing me of bad faith when you got nothing but insults doesn't cut it. Show me your work, and we can have a rational debate.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    And I'm asking you why you feel that way and you're dancing around instead of answering.
    Doesn't look good.
    I'm not dancing at all. There are many reasons why it should be the last resort, the obvious, a fairly complex medical procedure is more involved that using a rubber or the pill. Given the choice, I think most people would choose the least involved form.
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