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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Which means they are eons smarter than righties. See how easy this is?
    Had to reread the post a couple of times before you understood it, huh? Despite these difficulties you were still able to come up with a couple of leftist snappy answers though. Well done.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sadly, this decision will probably result in an increase in abortions. Good job Christian lobby group!
    that's non-sense.

    the ruling simple maintains what was all ready in place before the administration decided, not congress, to make all forms of contraception free.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    Do you have a source for that?

    "....The main drugs in question in the case brought before the Supreme Court are the emergency contraceptives Plan-B and Ella. One huge problem with this situation is that up until 2012, Hobby Lobby provided them as part of their insurance plan. Only when they realized that Obamacare was going to mandate this coverage did they suddenly become interested in not providing these drugs......"

    See more at: Hobby Lobby provided emergency contraceptives before they opposed them | Red Dirt Report


    See No. 54, 55 at bottom of p. 14.....

    http://www.becketfund.org/wp-content...nt-stamped.pdf

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Mad World NewsRead What Else Hobby Lobby Forces On Employees

    I didn't realize that they pay their full time employees $14/hour.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    And you expect simple health insurance to cover any of that?

    This is getting ridiculous. We're talking about the damn pill, not life saving medicine here.

    It has virtually no impact on employee health or productivity whatsoever.

    Frankly, where the lower rungs of the work force are concerned, it's a lot cheaper to simply swap employees out than subsidize their healthcare anyway. They are essentially wholly expendable unskilled labor, who can be replaced at any moment's notice.



    No, but they most certainly do have the right to decide which treatments their money will or will not go towards paying.

    The idea that employer provided healthcare is any kind of "right" in the first place is simply absurd.



    Again, if it's not your money, it's not your decision what it does or does not get spent on.

    If you happen to have an employer who, out of the goodness of their heart, is willing to pay for any treatment under the sun, more power to you. However, do not imagine that it is anything to which you are entitled as a matter of objective "right."

    It is a privilege and a luxury, and a rather unnecessary one at that.

    If it were my business, I wouldn't shell out a single dime for any of it.



    As has already been established, neither of those things are "free," nor should they be.



    Not my problem.



    I don't give a damn what they do with regard to their personal lives. That is why the thing is known as a "personal life" in the first place.

    I'm simply saying that there's no reason why any employer should be forced to subsidize someone else's lifestyle.

    Apparently, the SCOTUS agrees.



    I disagree, and so does the Supreme Court.
    You are wasting your time, these people couldn't give a rats as if Hobby Lobby is saving their employees from dying of cancer by having strong coverage in their plan, because they are missing 4 of 20 non-essential birth control options. This isn't about insurance or the health of the employee, it's about abortion and making sure their are plenty of them.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    "....The main drugs in question in the case brought before the Supreme Court are the emergency contraceptives Plan-B and Ella. One huge problem with this situation is that up until 2012, Hobby Lobby provided them as part of their insurance plan. Only when they realized that Obamacare was going to mandate this coverage did they suddenly become interested in not providing these drugs......"

    See more at: Hobby Lobby provided emergency contraceptives before they opposed them | Red Dirt Report


    See No. 54, 55 at bottom of p. 14.....

    http://www.becketfund.org/wp-content...nt-stamped.pdf
    Were they free prior to 2012?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yes, the extremists who demand that women be able to choose whatever they want and demand that somebody else pay for it just as glibly want to deny others different choices. Why is Citizen A's right to choose what is right for him/her superior to Citizen B's right to choose what is right for him/her if in conflict with what Citizen A wants? Most especially if Citizen B is paying for it and Citizen A is not?
    The whole failed premise of liberals, as a rule, is that a right entitles one to the subject of the right. If it is a right to medical care (which I believe exists as a sub section of a greater right) then someone else must provide it and pay for it. The premise falls apart however, when they look at other rights that they don't agree with, such as the right to bear arms or free speech. No fight going on there for the government or employers to pay for those rights to be exercised.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here's an interesting observation. Hobby Lobby's insurance still covers Viagara. LOL.
    Is there any ACA requirement to provide Viagara that some company has an objection to, religious or not? Strawman
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    The whole failed premise of liberals, as a rule, is that a right entitles one to the subject of the right. If it is a right to medical care (which I believe exists as a sub section of a greater right) then someone else must provide it and pay for it. The premise falls apart however, when they look at other rights that they don't agree with, such as the right to bear arms or free speech. No fight going on there for the government or employers to pay for those rights to be exercised.

    Is there any ACA requirement to provide Viagara that some company has an objection to, religious or not? Strawman
    Wait, what the actual ****?

    That is far from "as a rule," amigo. Plenty of liberals agree with the right to free speech or to bear arms, and who the hell are you to say we don't?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Were they free prior to 2012?
    They're not free now. Even if you get health insurance through your employer, YOU STILL PAY FOR IT. The employer contributes, yes, and it puts together packages of customers that get a lower rate, but employer-provided health insurance is still not "free." I know I get money taken out of my check every two weeks to pay for my so-called "free" health insurance.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    They're not free now. Even if you get health insurance through your employer, YOU STILL PAY FOR IT. The employer contributes, yes, and it puts together packages of customers that get a lower rate, but employer-provided health insurance is still not "free." I know I get money taken out of my check every two weeks to pay for my so-called "free" health insurance.
    Does your employer also pay into your plan? IMHO insurance shouldn't be there to cover standard visits or meds. It should be there to cover the catastrophic costs.

    For instance, your auto insurance doesn't cover the costs of your oil change, or tires does it?

    This is no different.
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