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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yes, the extremists who demand that women be able to choose whatever they want and demand that somebody else pay for it just as glibly want to deny others different choices. Why is Citizen A's right to choose what is right for him/her superior to Citizen B's right to choose what is right for him/her if in conflict with what Citizen A wants? Most especially if Citizen B is paying for it and Citizen A is not?

    The SCOTUS ruling I believe does open the door to more choice. I can see scenarios in which Jehovah Witnesses could refuse to pay for blood transfusions, Christian Scientists could refuses to pay for innoculations, Orthodox Jews could refuse to pay for any medications derived from pork, and we could continue down a very long list.

    Apart from the dishonest and incompetent way it was put together and sold to the people, and the unsustainable expense of it, the most galling part of Obamacare for me is the idea that government is dictating to insurance companies what product they are required to sell if they sell any product, dictating to employers the product they are required to offer their employees, and the people are dictated what product they are required to buy or be fined/taxed.

    In an extremely limited way, SCOTUS, whether intentionally or coincidentally, has restored a tiny smidgeon of choice to we the people.
    Yep. And maybe one smidgen will beget another.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's always a productive enterprise. Troll Twitter for the most dumba$$ comments by idiots and then make sweeping generalizations about an entire movement... I guess someone has a job and actually getting paid to do this, so good for them, I think.
    Which 'entire movement' is that?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's always a productive enterprise. Troll Twitter for the most dumba$$ comments by idiots and then make sweeping generalizations about an entire movement... I guess someone has a job and actually getting paid to do this, so good for them, I think.
    A practice the liberals have turned into a science, claiming that all conservatives believe and support some of the dumbest things people say.

    Turn about fair play I guess.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
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    Hey, you forgot to use quotes, bubba.

    The Green's didn't seem to have a problem practicing their religion and providing insurance coverage for emergency contraceptives before the ACA.....


    "....The main drugs in question in the case brought before the Supreme Court are the emergency contraceptives Plan-B and Ella. One huge problem with this situation is that up until 2012, Hobby Lobby provided them as part of their insurance plan...."
    Hobby Lobby provided emergency contraceptives before they opposed them | Red Dirt Report


    I don't know where the Green's get their contraceptive information from but it doesn't seem to jive with the FDA or the doctors.....
    "...EllaOne is one of the contraceptives that the Green family calls an abortificant and is the basis for their religious grievances. However, the FDA and the doctors say that its a contraceptive that "prevents" ovulation and doesn't cause abortions....

    "...The FDA panel [unanimously] agreed that there is no scientific evidence that at the dose recommended, ulipristal (EllaOne) causes abortion. "It pretty much only works by preventing ovulation," said meeting attendee David F. Archer, MD, from the Eastern Virginia Medical School, in Norfolk. "I just don't think there's any element here that would allow me to say that this has abortificant activity," he added....."
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/723822

    Ulipristal acetate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/27/us...es.html?ref=us


    Here's Scalia in 1990......
    ....The United States Supreme Court ruled in Employment Division v. Smith (1990) that a person may not defy neutral laws of general applicability[a] even as an expression of religious belief. "To permit this," wrote Justice Scalia, "would make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself." He wrote that generally applicable laws do not have to meet the standard of strict scrutiny, because such a requirement would create "a private right to ignore generally applicable laws". Strict scrutiny would require a law to be the least restrictive means of furthering a compelling government interest.

    The US Congress responded by passing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), requiring strict scrutiny when a neutral law of general applicability "substantially burden[s] a personís[b] exercise of religion".[2] The Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the RFRA as applied to federal statutes in Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita in 2006....."
    Burwell v. Hobby Lobby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Congress seems to have passed the 1993 RFRA law because of and for the SCOTUS. But it doesn't appear that the judges applied the 'strict scrutiny' of the law in the HL case considering that the four birth control methods are not abortificants and that the Greens were exercising their religion freedom and providing the same emergency contraceptives they now object to 'before" the ACA was passed.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Hey, you forgot to use quotes, bubba.

    The Green's didn't seem to have a problem practicing their religion and providing insurance coverage for emergency contraceptives before the ACA.....


    "....The main drugs in question in the case brought before the Supreme Court are the emergency contraceptives Plan-B and Ella. One huge problem with this situation is that up until 2012, Hobby Lobby provided them as part of their insurance plan...."
    Hobby Lobby provided emergency contraceptives before they opposed them | Red Dirt Report


    I don't know where the Green's get their contraceptive information from but it doesn't seem to jive with the FDA or the doctors.....

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/723822

    Ulipristal acetate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/27/us...es.html?ref=us


    Here's Scalia in 1990......

    Burwell v. Hobby Lobby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Congress seems to have passed the 1993 RFRA law because of and for the SCOTUS. But it doesn't appear that the judges applied the 'strict scrutiny' of the law in the HL case considering that the four birth control methods are not abortificants and that the Greens were exercising their religion freedom and providing the same emergency contraceptives they now object to 'before" the ACA was passed.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yep. And maybe one smidgen will beget another.
    We can only hope.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Here's an interesting observation. Hobby Lobby's insurance still covers Viagara. LOL.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here's an interesting observation. Hobby Lobby's insurance still covers Viagara. LOL.
    And don't think that doesn't bother a few women.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here's an interesting observation. Hobby Lobby's insurance still covers Viagara. LOL.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And don't think that doesn't bother a few women.
    Most contraception is still covered, and Viagra does not run afoul of any religious doctrine.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Which 'entire movement' is that?
    I'll quote him: "Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out"

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