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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Actually,
    since the issue is based on HL's objection to contraceptives
    False, but do go on
    , the Democrats seem to be focusing more on the GOPs War on Women. I've heard they're already fund raising off of it.
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    well hell yeah ... that was the whole idea from the get-go. lol
    Really once again drives home the reality that the Dem rank-and-file are pretty much LIV sheeple.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I actually don't know what your point is. The ruling clearly allows employers to state a moral objection against ALL contraception, and refuse to cover any of the option. This is clear FROM THE WORDING OF THE FINAL ORDER, and confirmed by the orders today. It covers the 'contraception mandate' not just abortifacients. If you agree, great, if not, read the rulings and the orders in that link.
    I'm sorry but your reading of the decision is waaaaaaay too simplified.
    1) not every employer will be able to succeed if they tried to object on religious grounds.
    2) not every employer is going to even try.

    What do you see as a common thread in the cases sent back for review by the orders to the lower courts in your own link? See anything? It pretty much jumps off the page.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Hobby Lobby might have objected to only 4 types, but they explicitly argued the case on the basis of a religious objection being able to trump all forms of birth control.

    Frankly, this is easily the worst Supreme Court decision in at least my lifetime. How can you segregate women’s reproductive healthcare from everything else? What about Scientologists? Can they do away with their prescription drug plan? What about pacifists, should they be refunded the portion of taxes spent on military? What is the fundamental difference between paying into a fund that pays into a fund that pays into something you don't like and paying taxes which goes toward appropriations which goes to something you don't like? Why is a religious objection to womens health care different from a religious objection to drone attacks?

    Also, remember this is a for profit corporation that no longer has to pay for something required by every other employer. They gain a competitive advantage because of their religious beliefs. As many as 90% of all US Businesses fall into the "closely held" category as defined by the SCOTUS. So we should expect them to start all "joining" the religion which opts them out of anything to give them a competitive advantage.
    I doubt the 90% figure but it's irrelevant given they don't employ 90% of the working force.

    Your other ruminations have already been considered and rulings delivered.

    If they can justify & demonstrate their religious exemption, yes, employers should not be forced to violate their beliefs.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    They can also reject the policies provided by their employee and get a policy from the exchange. I think. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Well, then they would have choices.

    They could work elsewhere if birth control is that important to them.
    They can pay for them themselves (which women did before the ACA).
    Or they can quit their jobs, collect unemployment, and sign up for the Obamacare insurance and get all of the covered birth control they want and need.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    On the contrary. The decision followed US law perfectly. It was the liberal side that wanted to ignore the RFRA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Then you're fine with other people making decisions for you based on their religious beliefs which circumvent US law? Because that's what we're talking about here.
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    **** that ****. Toby doesn't pull out for any woman.



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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So I take that as a "no the ACA isn't going to stop teenagers from having unprotected sex".

    We are way off topic here. The topic isn't abortions. It's the Hobby Lobby ruling which has zero to do with teen sex and pregnancy.
    Of course it's not going to STOP anything. What the contraception mandate will hopefully do is reduce unwanted pregnancies. But, yes, I assume many of those minors, who are covered under new ACA plans through their working parents, many working moms, will benefit from that insurance and obtain affordable, accessible, and effective contraception and it will reduce the problem. That's the purpose, and I support it. You don't, which is fine.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    **** that ****. Toby doesn't pull out for any woman.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Duh! I wasn't addressing any other part of the quote. Why include it if I'm not addressing it? Your premise fails when you attempt to substitute one type of "behavior control" for another. It is disingenuous to say that a law that is in place to "control" behavior against the violation of a right is actually for controlling population. You are taking a result and trying to call it a purpose. When you make an incorrect association like that you will be called out for it.
    OK, I'll concede I included a failed example among several examples cited to make a point!

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