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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Some of you people on the right are getting it wrong, the decision involved all 20 methods.

    Justices act in other health law mandate cases
    Well, it looks like a lot of women who are desperate for insurance that gives them birth control will have to look elsewhere if they think their employer will not cover it. Or sign up for Obamacare.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The goverment's job is to control the population? When did they get that responsibility?
    Well, I guess to an extent it is. Laws against murder are ONE attempt to control the population. Reducing teen and unwanted pregnancies seems to me a pretty unobjectionable goal, as is providing healthcare. You know about Medicare? How about Social Security, where we had a goal to provide some small amount of money in old age and disability. Child care credits control the population by reducing taxes on parents. The EITC controls the population by incentivizing work over welfare. I could go on....

    Is reducing unwanted pregnancy something you think society should ignore, and just throw up our hands about? Those kids will need more social services, more likely to become criminals, etc. I guess do nothing is the right approach.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, I guess to an extent it is. Laws against murder are ONE attempt to control the population. Reducing teen and unwanted pregnancies seems to me a pretty unobjectionable goal, as is providing healthcare. You know about Medicare? How about Social Security, where we had a goal to provide some small amount of money in old age and disability. Child care credits control the population by reducing taxes on parents. The EITC controls the population by incentivizing work over welfare. I could go on....
    I never heard that the government was responsible for preventing unwanted pregnancies.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I wouldn't say liberal, I'd say disenfranchised ex-conservative.

    And like any Supreme Court case, the direct effects of the rulings aren't really all that significant. Yes, there will be a few people who are negatively impacted; but the broader picture is what else can be justified with this ruling. And you're left with two scary options. Either women's health care is somehow special in that employers may veto their legal obligations to pay for it, or the door is opened for any deeply held religious belief to override any legal obligation.
    Thank you for the response. So, for you.. It's not this decision that led to any potential lost rights.. but future decisions that may..

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    They actually were, if they covered prescription meds of any kind.
    In some states, but not all. So, that I know is not accurate.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I never heard that the government was responsible for preventing unwanted pregnancies.
    I guess you should get out a bit more, then, and maybe obvious goals like that wouldn't seem so unusual to you. For some odd reason, many people think, say, abortions are bad, so are kids born to teens unprepared to be mothers, or to drug addicted mothers, etc. and devote attention to solving some or all of those problems, and believe government has a role in some or all of them. It's not exactly a radical view of government we're talking about here.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I guess you should get out a bit more, then, and maybe obvious goals like that wouldn't seem so unusual to you. For some odd reason, many people think, say, abortions are bad, so are kids born to teens unprepared to be mothers, or to drug addicted mothers, etc. and devote attention to solving some or all of those problems, and believe government has a role in some or all of them. It's not exactly a radical view of government we're talking about here.
    The government has no responsibility for controlling pregnancies. And I didn't think the purpose of the ACA was to prevent pregnancies either.

    I'm a woman. I spent my entire adult life trying to not get pregnant when I didn't want to be pregnant. Shockingly, it can be done...and Uncle Sam didn't help me.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    In some states, but not all. So, that I know is not accurate.
    The mandate was as a result of a ruling by EEOC, a Federal law. Here's the link I posted earlier. Contraceptive mandate (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Federal female contraception mandate before ACA

    Certain aspects of the contraception mandate did not start with the ACA. In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex.
    It wasn't always enforced, but there was a mandate and by 2010, before ACA, the estimates were 90% covered contraceptives. And apparently 26 states had their own mandates, and many of them covered Catholic institutions (who complied) but are exempted by HHS. So the idea isn't new, was largely the law of the land prior to ACA, and the big deal was it expanded the list and made them available at no copay or for 'free.'

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The government has no responsibility for controlling pregnancies. And I didn't think the purpose of the ACA was to prevent pregnancies either.

    I'm a woman. I spent my entire adult life trying to not get pregnant when I didn't want to be pregnant. Shockingly, it can be done...and Uncle Sam didn't help me.
    The purpose of the ACA is to make healthcare available to more people for the purpose of improving health. Pregnancy, healthy kids, are, as I'm sure you'll agree, a big part of "healthcare" for women. So is family planning, which improves the odds mothers are ready to have and adequately care for children. In other cases preventing pregnancy is a medical necessity because pregnancy risks death for some women. Other women take contraceptives for reasons other than pregnancy prevention and the drugs have a direct effect on health like all other prescription drugs. For all these reasons, the medical community recommends contraceptives as part of a comprehensive health insurance package, along with other services like checkups and wellness visits.

    BTW, you saying the government has no responsibility (technically true as an opinion, one of many I guess) doesn't mean much, because it's a goal, reducing unwanted pregnancies, that is shared by people across the political spectrum, many of whom believe government at all levels SHOULD play a role. If you disagree, we should just ignore the number of abortions and babies born to teen mothers, etc. that's GREAT! I disagree as do most people I'd imagine.

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