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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Is your reproductive healthcare now in jeopardy?

    How were you paying for it before the ACA passed?
    It CLEARLY violates a persons constitutional right to have all the sex they want, free from consequences, financial responsibility or moral obligation... I forget which amendment that was... Let me look that up and get back to you.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I respect pro-life people, as well as respect religious rights and beliefs. But in my view when it comes to the issue of preventitive contraception, they don't have a leg to stand on. Prevnting a pregnacy may be ofensive to them, but it's not a violation of their religious rights as far as I'm conserned It's one thing to end a potential life after conception, but quite another to prevent conception from happening.

    In my opinion, this case should have never reached the Supreme Court in the first place. The Obama Administration and HHS should have just removed those 4 methods of contraception, and stuck with the 16 preventitive ones. They could have avoided this controversy and prevented this decision from ever happening, but for what ever reason, they dropped the ball on this one.
    Like I've pointed out, several litigants objected to ALL of the available options, not just the 4, and some of them won their cases at the Appeals Court level. If HL didn't have to sue, those others would have eventually made it to the SC.

    I just don't believe changing the list would have mattered. If they'd offered an out for anyone, THAT might have worked better, but again, people are suing to not comply with what it takes to get HHS to assume the contraception coverage.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Over the following decade brings us to today. I always paid for my own birth control pills when I used them. And I never complained about it.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    There are other religions besides yours. If you're viewing this as an ability for fundamentalist Christians to make everyone else live in a way which is more pleasing to fundamentalist Christian beliefs than you're likely to be surprised.
    I'm not too interested in getting into a big discussion, but I am curious and don't feel up to reading thorugh all the pages here...

    I've read a couple of op-eds from people to the left who claim that this ruiling is taking away rights from women.

    So, then I wonder.. Did women not have rights prior to obamacare? Aftrerall, prior to Obamacare busiensses were not required to purchase BC.

    Then I also wonder.. What right was taken away. Women can still purchase as much BC as they want, they can even see a doctor to get a prescription. The only thing that has changed, as far as I can see, is who will pay for it.

    I really don't want to get too into it, but I am curious about those questions... and the opeds I read didn't seem to get into specifics as to what right they thought was being removed.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Over the following decade brings us to today. I always paid for my own birth control pills when I used them. And I never complained about it.
    Prior to my state or my wife's union (i'm not certain which) got BC covered by insurance with a small co-pay, my wife and I used to pay for them every month. I didn't realize my rights were being violated at the time.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    When is HHS going to order my insurance company to provide me all kinds of healthcare preventatives?

    I want tooth brushes, dental floss, sunscreen, soap, hand sanitizer, etc.

    How come it's all about birth control, and nothing else? The ACA discriminated against menopausal women.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I have a religion? That's funny. And a new one on me since neither my husband nor I practice a religion, don't attend church, don't pray, and didn't have our 3 sons baptised and/or christened.
    Then you're fine with other people making decisions for you based on their religious beliefs which circumvent US law? Because that's what we're talking about here.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Like I've pointed out, several litigants objected to ALL of the available options, not just the 4, and some of them won their cases at the Appeals Court level. If HL didn't have to sue, those others would have eventually made it to the SC.
    I suspect if Hobby Lobby hadn't narrowed their scope, they probably wouldn't have won the case... One thing I'm significantly more confident of, is if HHS had just dropped those 4 contraceptives in the first place, nobody could have won a case to be exempt on religious grounds.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Then you're fine with other people making decisions for you based on their religious beliefs which circumvent US law? Because that's what we're talking about here.
    Who made a decision for me? I missed that.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    He's obviously got more time to educate you than I have today.
    Oh please. If you had been capable to discern what was applicable and what was not, you wouldn't have written a post that was at its most basic, Irrelevant.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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