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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The ruling is broader than that. Companies can now use religion as a basis to refuse to provide ANY birth control. Less access to contraceptives will absolutely result in an increase in unwanted pregnancies which will absolutely result in an increase in abortions.

    If you are TRULY against abortion....you would seek more and easier access to contraceptives not less. This just exposes the hypocrisy of the so-called "pro-life" people.
    Holy overreaction, Batman.

    Contraception is about the easiest, cheapest medication there is.

    This does, however, put a crack in Obama's ability to circumvent the Constitution and force people to buy a commodity.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    This is what Obama gets for trying to compromise. He should have gone with true Socialized Medicine, which would have avoided this situation.
    And how would he have done that? He got Obamacare bye on the thinnest possible margin, he could never get the votes for socialized medicine.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The ruling is broader than that. Companies can now use religion as a basis to refuse to provide ANY birth control. Less access to contraceptives will absolutely result in an increase in unwanted pregnancies which will absolutely result in an increase in abortions.

    If you are TRULY against abortion....you would seek more and easier access to contraceptives not less. This just exposes the hypocrisy of the so-called "pro-life" people.
    If you think this opened the door for any corporation to oppose birth control in their insurance plans, then you must think this is a very broad decision.

    Nobody has less access to birth control that I can see, unless you think that all companies can now stop offering it. I don't see that in their opinions (yet, from what I've read).

    HL didn't object to birth control. They still provide it - 16 types, in fact.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Then there's the VA, the longest running single payer system in the world. We never seem to learn from our mistakes.
    Exactly which makes me wonder why so many believe the massive central govt. is the answer on any issue?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    I am CEO of my own one owner corporation. I certainly hold beliefs. Every CEO and board member in every business in America is a living breathing human being who has his/her own set of beliefs. You cannot separate the corporation from the owner, CEO, or board of directors. They are part and parcel of the corporation. Corporations are given status as a separate legal entity for the purpose of paying taxes, suing, and being sued, etc. But they are run by human beings.
    The point of forming a corporation is to legally separate the corporation from the owner, and thus reduce direct owner liability.

    If a corporation is no longer divorced of it's owner's beliefs and if it's true that you cannot separate the owner from the business, then why should the courts honor the corporate wall at all?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Holy overreaction, Batman.
    Don't worry about it old chum. They are bound to become hysterical over this.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If you think this opened the door for any corporation to oppose birth control in their insurance plans, then you must think this is a very broad decision.

    Nobody has less access to birth control that I can see, unless you think that all companies can now stop offering it. I don't see that in their opinions (yet, from what I've read).

    HL didn't object to birth control. They still provide it - 16 types, in fact.
    Not ANY corporation, but certainly religion based ones. This decision by its face = less access to birth control for people who work for these corporations. HL may currently provide it....but this ruling certainly invites religion based companies to refuse to provide ANY....and don't think for a second that they aren't going to leap on this.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    This seemed like a bad battle to pick. The pill is less than 10 dollars per prescription as a generic. If you don't want to work for a bunch of fundies that believe the Pill is sinful, then don't work at Hobby Lobby. If you can't find anything else, then you can get your prescription filled at Target for 5 dollars even if Hobby Lobby won't cover it, so it just seems like a poor battle to pick in the culture wars.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Holy overreaction, Batman.

    Contraception is about the easiest, cheapest medication there is.

    This does, however, put a crack in Obama's ability to circumvent the Constitution and force people to buy a commodity.
    Talk about an over-reaction. This decision has nothing to do with "forcing people to buy a commodity". That is tremendous over-reaching on your part. The reality, however, is that although contraception may be relatively inexpensive, any time you make it harder for people to get....it is going to result in less people using it. That is just common sense 101. Less use of contraceptives will mean more unwanted pregnancies....again.....simple common sense 101....whether you like it or not.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I know that's the meme, but it's a weak and completely disproven connection.
    How is it disproven? Obama literally based the mandate on Romneycare and the ideas generated from the Heritage Foundation, which was proposed in the 1990s by conservatives as compromise to Hillarycare.

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