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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Plan B has nothing to do with abortion.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Which men are you referring to then?
    The ones that are acting like I want free birth control so I can screw the entire Belgium football team.

    I can and do pay for my birth control but it sucks that my employer like hobby lobby doesn't cover iud's. It sucks but I suck it up and just use pills, which are covered with a copay. But because I would like for them to cover all types of contraceptives doesn't make me an irresponsible whore just as lazy dads out there doesn't make you one.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Plan B has nothing to do with abortion.
    Plan B allows the contraceptive forms that HL opposed, which the SCOTUS agreed with in the 5-4 ruling.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Weren't you the one that just said that ED was a "legitimate dysfunction"? The ACA covers vasectomies and Viagra. But of course you're free to pay for it yourself.
    As has already been pointed out, Viagra generally requires a co-pay. It is not "free."

    Pregnancy isn't a "disease" but it is a condition that requires medical care and it can be prevented with prescription drugs.
    It does not require preventing, on either medical or practical grounds in the vast majority of cases. Some women simply happen to desire it.

    I suggest you stop trying to make this personal.
    I'm not making anything "personal."

    You've already told us what you're after point blank. You want "sexual liberation" for women with someone else footing the bill.

    I'm sorry, but you're simply not entitled to that.
    Too bad employers have to be involved in the health insurance business at all. But they are, so almost everyone who works for an employer is paying for their own health insurance. That basic fact seems to elude you.
    How are you "paying for your own health insurance" when your employer pays your medical bills for you?

    Are they not already paying you an honest wage or salary?

    Every additional expense beyond that only cuts into their bottom line more, and therefore the number of employees they are able to hire.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The employees earn their health insurance and companies that provide it get huge tax subsidies.

    I fail to see how the courts decision benefitted anyone except business owners. Can employees just start praying and chanting during business hours if they feel the spirit in them...or will they get fired?
    It's even a smaller benefit than that. It will benefit only those closely held corps, which also have similar religious beliefs regarding some contraceptives. And this has nothing to do with the employees beliefs but the closely held corporation's beliefs. I would think religious freedom for chanting or praying is already settled law as part of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993.


    Quote Originally Posted by Burwell v Hobby Lobby
    Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (RFRA) prohibits the “Government [from] substantially burden[ing] a person’s exercise of religion even if the burden results
    from a rule of general applicability” unless the Government “demonstrates that application of the burden to the person—(1) is in furtherance of a compelling govern
    -mental interest; and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.” 42
    It's actually the first paragraph of the Syllabus in the HL court case. Here's the link:

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...3-354_olp1.pdf
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are missing the big picture.
    I misspoke, they'll have access to 16 kinds of contraceptive. If you can't find one that works for you, stay out of the bedroom.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    The ones that are acting like I want free birth control so I can screw the entire Belgium football team.
    You might get a great return on the video.

    I can and do pay for my birth control but it sucks that my employer like hobby lobby doesn't cover iud's. It sucks but I suck it up and just use pills, which are covered with a copay. But because I would like for them to cover all types of contraceptives doesn't make me an irresponsible whore just as lazy dads out there doesn't make you one.
    Why can't the covering of iud's be part of the negotiating agreement when you begin work or as part of a union negotiation? There are a great many things we want our employers to pay for but when you get a benefit other employees may not be receiving the same, which means they should get an extra pay allowance for whatever these birth control payments costs. Things actually were much easier, and cheaper, when we were responsible for ourselves.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your government? When did you take over the Govt. to make it yours? It is our govt. and Freedom OF Religion doesn't mean Freedom FROM religion, you seem to not understand the difference between of and from. Your disdain for religion is your choice and you expect that choice to be respected yet do not seem to respect others who have their own money invested in a business to exercise their freedom of choice. That seems to be the problem with liberals today, no respect for opposing points of view as well as no respect for other's freedoms.
    From the same guy who said lefties are burning down Hobby Lobby no less.
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    From the same guy who said lefties are burning down Hobby Lobby no less.
    He said that?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    He said that?
    He made a thread about it.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...bby-lobby.html
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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