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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Pregnancy isn't a 'disease' but it is a serious medical condition. Furthermore, there are simple reasons why providing women access to effective birth control is in all our best interests - it's better for the mother, and the child, and society, when pregnancies are planned and wanted. But about HALF of all pregnancies are unintended, and as we know many of those end in abortion, many others to mothers clearly poorly equipped to raise children. So clearly, abstaining from sex or relying on failure prone methods of birth control weren't working. The reason contraceptives were included were to bring that number of unintended pregnancies DOWN, and if it's successful, take some positive steps to solving a bunch of related social problems, among them children born to addicts, young teens unprepared to care for their children, etc.

    I guess I don't mind that people disagree about including BC in the package of health benefits available for 'free' but it's just deliberate ignorance to claim there is no medical or practical reason for that decision beyond angering a bunch of folks on the religious right wing.
    There is a tendency of left wingers to conflate the issue of access to contraceptives with free contraceptives. The former was never in doubt, the latter was never in doubt for the vast majority of women and still isn't, at least by the provisions in the ACA.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's a form of contraceptive yes.
    Then you feel that this procedure shouldn't be covered through employer sponsored insurance either correct?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Or maybe this happens to many women everywhere:
    I could make a similar list about women doing drugs while pregnant, abandoning their children, murdering them, etc. but what would be the point?

    By meddling in people's private lives the government is only pushing people apart, not bringing them together. This 'community organizer', who has never organized anything in his life, has done more to separate people into groups then bring them together as Americans. Men against women, rich against poor, Black against White, atheists against Christians. It will all continue in order to gain votes and greater control and no one will be the happier for it.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Funny? Sorry, I'm not familiar with the quote. But it doesn't even rise to a chuckle. You have a strange sense of humor.

    This case dealt with abortifacients ... not contraception.
    And, regardless, everyone can still get them so relax.
    No, it didn't deal with abortifacients. Read the opinion. It dealt with contraception. And any company that wants to deny coverage for any/all of the options can do so under the HL ruling.

    And no, poor women can't get what they can't afford. If you don't care, fine, but you can't pretend not paying for something that can easily run $1,000 a year for some options has no effect on access to that drug/device.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Yeah you men all sure know what's best for us irresponsible sexpots women.

    Goodness what I hear from a number of my female friends, relatives, coworkers, or even vague acquaintances about how their male partner does not want anything to do with feeding, changing, getting up at night, or even holding the baby it's kind of weird how they are so adamant about limiting birth control. For the most part they seem to want nothing to do with the actual baby, but yet fight to the end to prevent affordable access to good birth control. It's kind of strange actually. Now I am not saying all men are not helpful with babies, but in my experiences very few are.
    Any man who has been with a woman with a baby knows that his efforts to help will be spurned as incompetent, ineffective and wrong pretty much without regard to how or what he does. All women know that the only person who can properly take care of their baby is them. And then they complain about not getting any help from the man.

    Yes, this is a stereotype. It's a stereotype that's damned true.

    I think it must be on the X chromasome.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So does that religious group that doesn't do doctors get to skip health insurance completely since they believe god should decide who lives and dies?
    They do.

    Any bets theres gonna be a mass "conversion" to christian science??
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Then you feel that this procedure shouldn't be covered through employer sponsored insurance either correct?
    What I feel is irrelevant, but since you asked - if HL were my company and this ruling came through just now, I'd have no problem covering vasectomy since there is no unborn child being aborted when a vasectomy procedure occurs. If there were, no - it would not be covered.

    You are aware that HL is covering the vast majority of contraceptives.... or is that fact escaping you?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Post where I accused someone of being sexist in this thread.

    I stated that it's funny how men fight against birth control but as shown by personal and online experience, alot of times they do not actually help to take care of the baby. I roll my eyes at the thought of women just wanting birth control to have tons of sex yes but I did not at any point call out someone.
    You didn't just post complaints about 'husbands'?

    Why would men fight against birth control, thereby allowing sex without responsibility, when it's been the greatest thing that's happened for men in their social history?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I could make a similar list about women doing drugs while pregnant, abandoning their children, murdering them, etc. but what would be the point?
    So then we would both agree that both men and women should take caution, contraceptives really, to avoid unwanted pregnancies that result in the mistreatment of a child.

    btw, comparing a man not wanting to change diapers to a woman abusing a baby is kind of a stretch, or no?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What I feel is irrelevant, but since you asked - if HL were my company and this ruling came through just now, I'd have no problem covering vasectomy since there is no unborn child being aborted when a vasectomy procedure occurs. If there were, no - it would not be covered.

    You are aware that HL is covering the vast majority of contraceptives.... or is that fact escaping you?
    What birth control methods cause abortion?
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