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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Serious question ... why not?
    I think that even the most hard core pro-choice people would like to see as few abortions as possible. It starts will education and making birth control more available. Abortion is an extreme choice that should really be a last resort, not a primary choice.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I just find it amusing that contraceptives fall, for the Administration at least, into the category of "disease prevention". A little top heavy with the radical feminists, perhaps?

    There are all kinds of medications that prevent missing work due to all kinds of problems. Anti-diarrheal medications, or anti-migraine medications, for example. But none of them are free. You have to pay a co-pay for all of them.

    No, the only reason contraceptives were free was because the Administration deemed them disease preventatives. And that, I suspect, was mostly for political, "we're your good buddies, honey pie," sort of pandering.
    Pregnancy isn't a 'disease' but it is a serious medical condition. Furthermore, there are simple reasons why providing women access to effective birth control is in all our best interests - it's better for the mother, and the child, and society, when pregnancies are planned and wanted. But about HALF of all pregnancies are unintended, and as we know many of those end in abortion, many others to mothers clearly poorly equipped to raise children. So clearly, abstaining from sex or relying on failure prone methods of birth control weren't working. The reason contraceptives were included were to bring that number of unintended pregnancies DOWN, and if it's successful, take some positive steps to solving a bunch of related social problems, among them children born to addicts, young teens unprepared to care for their children, etc.

    I guess I don't mind that people disagree about including BC in the package of health benefits available for 'free' but it's just deliberate ignorance to claim there is no medical or practical reason for that decision beyond angering a bunch of folks on the religious right wing.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Planned Parenthood can accommodate you and your IUD.
    Women's healthcare? Oh, you mean abortion. Not healthcare.
    Because men don't get abortions.
    This decision will lead to rusty coat hangers in back alleys.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    But you do raise an obvious point ... are you and the Democrats waging a War On Religion?
    I mean, there is a Law & a Constitution protecting Religious Rights and everything.
    Pretty bold of you.

    Are Republicans trying to blur the line between corporate profits and religion? Because that's what it looks like.

    Does anyone who doesn't own a company benefit from this decision?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    I love how Hobby Lobby says it goes against their religious beliefs to "PAY" for contraceptive, but they have no issue buying products from a country that supports abortion.

    Yeah, their soooooo religious alright.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No, it is not simply believing that seeing a doctor isn't necessary. They believed it is a form of sin that causes disease, and that seeing a doctor circumvents god's plan. Wriggle wriggle wriggle. Is that wriggling I hear going on?

    Nevertheless, I believe that a private business (not publicly traded) should be allowed even this religious freedom. I stand on principle, unlike conservatives who try to disingenuously limit the meaning of this SCOTUS decision. Conservatives like to apply the law where they like its consequences and not where they don't.
    No wiggling. It's not the same argument and you don't have to worry about the slippery slope on that. I'm surprised at how hard it is for liberals to comprehend this decision.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I think that even the most hard core pro-choice people would like to see as few abortions as possible. It starts will education and making birth control more available. Abortion is an extreme choice that should really be a last resort, not a primary choice.
    Actually... while I agree it should be a last choice due to health considerations for the mother, I have zero dislike for abortions. If the health considerations were removed, I wouldn't care if a woman used it as her primary form of birth control.

    However, I agree that the vast majority do not feel as I do.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    No wiggling. It's not the same argument and you don't have to worry about the slippery slope on that. I'm surprised at how hard it is for liberals to comprehend this decision.
    What is different about the argument? And... I am not worried about the slippery slope.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    More than a few Protestant sects are against all birth control, The Eastern Orthodox Church is as well as the Amish communities. I dated a girl briefly in High School who was pentecostal and was taught by her church that every sperm was sacred. I attended her church with her once and the minister/preacher gave a speech about the evils of masturbation. I dropped her like a hot skillet.
    Oh, I know that among the multitude of various sects some would cling to the Catholic views on birth control. I'm just saying they're the exception rather than the rule.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I love how Hobby Lobby says it goes against their religious beliefs to "PAY" for contraceptive, but they have no issue buying products from a country that supports abortion.

    Yeah, their soooooo religious alright.
    They do pay for contraceptives.

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