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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    How so?
    You pointed out the pay of HL, then dismissed any concern of women because HL pays double the minimum wage for full time employees, which is true. Tens of thousands of employers are affected by the SC decision, several dozen have ongoing lawsuits to deny contraception under their insurance, so pointing out HL's pay scale doesn't tell us much.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Different issue entirely and parents that let their children die have been convicted for their crimes. Believing that seeing a doctor isn't necessary doesn't mean that you believe paying for medical care for others is a sin.
    No, it is not simply believing that seeing a doctor isn't necessary. They believed it is a form of sin that causes disease, and that seeing a doctor circumvents god's plan. Wriggle wriggle wriggle. Is that wriggling I hear going on?

    Nevertheless, I believe that a private business (not publicly traded) should be allowed even this religious freedom. I stand on principle, unlike conservatives who try to disingenuously limit the meaning of this SCOTUS decision. Conservatives like to apply the law where they like its consequences and not where they don't.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    2 x $7.25 = $14.50. It would still probably cost an entire months wages to pay for an IUD.


    So if it's not a war on women then why is only women's health care singled out
    ?
    But you do raise an obvious point ... are you and the Democrats waging a War On Religion?
    I mean, there is a Law & a Constitution protecting Religious Rights and everything.
    Pretty bold of you.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    OMG. How can you suggest that the horror of paying for your own morning after pill if you ever need or want it isn't enough to make women go screaming out the doors of Hobby Lobby to find new employment elsewhere?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You pointed out the pay of HL, then dismissed any concern of women because HL pays double the minimum wage for full time employees, which is true. Tens of thousands of employers are affected by the SC decision, several dozen have ongoing lawsuits to deny contraception under their insurance, so pointing out HL's pay scale doesn't tell us much.
    I see.

    So does it matter how many employers meet the HL religious criteria?
    Does it matter how many of those that do, choose to exclude abortifacients from their employees medical coverage?
    Does it matter that the abortifacients unavailable through their employee coverage are otherwise available?
    If you say yes all that matters, then explain how that should have affected the SC decision which was based on existing Law & the Constitution.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    If it's more than zero, then it's one too many.
    How many women from Hobby Lobby are complaining about this decision? Heard anything about strike notices?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    This a lot blather meaning absolutely nothing.
    I guess you get what you dish out, eh?

    For the vast majority of women, birth control is not a necessity to ensure life, limb, and livelihood. It is a luxury.
    Is working and supporting a family considered a luxury, too? 45% of all households are headed by women who are the breadwinners.

    For the vast majority of women birth control is the very essence of liberty and the great societal equalizer. Birth control allows women to participate equally in the economy and society. It gives them control over their own lives and destiny...aka 'individual liberty'.

    "The ability of women to participate equally in the economic and social life of the Nation has been facilitated by their ability to control their reproductive lives." - Casey v. Planned Parenthood (1992)

    They could get the same results just as easily simply by abstaining from sexual activity.
    I could argue the same about Viagra and host of other male enhancement drugs. Men wouldn't need them if they just wore boxers. But if women abstained from having sex except to have children men wouldn't need enhancement drugs at all.

    If they want birth control, they can pay for it themselves.
    They'd still need a job in order to pay for it. Employees will often stay at a low paying job if it offers health insurance. So one could say that employees are paying for their health insurance with their labor.
    Last edited by Moot; 07-01-14 at 12:10 PM.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Your statement is bull****, it's untrue. Hobby Lobby employees will be able to get 12 kinds of contraception.
    You are missing the big picture.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How many of the HL employees are poor? How many demanded these 4 drugs? If there is no data on that, we're discussing something that neither one of us knows about.

    The requirement of providing abortion-causing birth control violated the RFRA which is a law that has existed since 1993. If that's a bad law, then change it. The ACLU was one of the biggest advocates of the RFRA when Clinton signed it into law in 1993. The decision was very black and white here.
    Barrack Obama cancelled provisions of Obamacare with a wave of the hand while this decision went through the courts. Therefore it has a great deal more legitimacy than whatever Obama's additions and subtractions, post-Congress, might have.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Maybe its time to make abortion illegal. In fact I would take it a step further and make abortion felony murder.
    Sorry...but that isn't ever going to happen. America is not going to return to the days of back-alley abortions. The problem is.....the extremist far-right agenda will not be satisfied until ALL birth control is illegal.
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