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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Contraceptives were included in coverage because the Administration considered them to be preventative care (as if pregnancy is a disease). That's where the legal authority to make contraceptives free came from since according to the ACA preventative care is supposed to be free. Viagra can in no way be considered preventative.
    Ahhh spoken like a young man without much experience around women. Substitute preventable 'condition' that hurts the work force and if ill timed, hurts the economic success of a family/female for 'disease' and you start tracking this properly.

    Next, having raised a female and spent several decades married to one, I can tell you the pill helps in a few other conditions... in our daughter it helped with her cramps AND regularity of cycle. If you have known many parents of young girls turning into 'functional' women you'd hear horror story after story about that unexpected period. The hormone therapy helps settle the cycle and gives tremendous peace of mind for all involved. (Thank GOD!)

    A condition like allergies or prenatal vitamins, ultra sounds and the like. No real threat to my health if I have simple hay fever- no disease involved with pregnancy, but vitamins and ultras help PREVENT certain unwanted CONDITIONS for occurring.

    If I understand the decision the Court ruled that only the methods that work AFTER conception are subject to the ruling. BC pills act BEFORE the egg gets fertilized. One type stops ovulation, the other stops sperm from entering the uterus. Those types should still be allowable as they do not 'abort' a fertilized egg.

    Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out....

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Ahhh spoken like a young man without much experience around women. Substitute preventable 'condition' that hurts the work force and if ill timed, hurts the economic success of a family/female for 'disease' and you start tracking this properly.

    Next, having raised a female and spent several decades married to one, I can tell you the pill helps in a few other conditions... in our daughter it helped with her cramps AND regularity of cycle. If you have known many parents of young girls turning into 'functional' women you'd hear horror story after story about that unexpected period. The hormone therapy helps settle the cycle and gives tremendous peace of mind for all involved. (Thank GOD!)

    A condition like allergies or prenatal vitamins, ultra sounds and the like. No real threat to my health if I have simple hay fever- no disease involved with pregnancy, but vitamins and ultras help PREVENT certain unwanted CONDITIONS for occurring.

    If I understand the decision the Court ruled that only the methods that work AFTER conception are subject to the ruling. BC pills act BEFORE the egg gets fertilized. One type stops ovulation, the other stops sperm from entering the uterus. Those types should still be allowable as they do not 'abort' a fertilized egg.

    Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out....
    Please. Pregnancy is no more a "disease" than the average bowel movement.

    It is a natural result of the body's normal sexual function; nothing more, and nothing less.

    Drop the hysteria.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I don't think congress meant or intended the RFRA law to include corporate "personhood".

    The SCOTUS failed to prove how the ACA burdened or prevented the individual owners of HL from exercising their religion.
    Pssst... the court doesn't have to prove anything, they make the decision. The litigants try and prove their cases.
    Instead the SCOTUS seems to have singled out a group of people for corporations to discriminate against.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So why is viagra covered and why is there no moral issue with it?
    You have to pay a co-pay for Viagra. It's not free. Besides which, it's not a contraceptive. I'ts an anti-contraceptive.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Liberals, particularly female liberals, are embarrassing themselves horribly the past 24 hours.

    Have you so little self control, or a complete inability to access the many free contraceptives available, that you find it necessary to bully your employer into paying for your sexcapades? Do you not find it your responsibility to manage your reproductive organs?

    Sadly pathetic.
    I can tell you one thing for sure, the democratic party is hoping the right wing repeats that point over and over and over for the next few months heading into the elections and that every competitive seat has a GOPer making that exact point.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Liberals, particularly female liberals, are embarrassing themselves horribly the past 24 hours.

    Have you so little self control, or a complete inability to access the many free contraceptives available, that you find it necessary to bully your employer into paying for your sexcapades? Do you not find it your responsibility to manage your reproductive organs?

    Sadly pathetic.

    Yes, I must find someone to pay for my out of control impulsive consequence free ****ing because I'm just an irresponsible slut like that.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Defined as?
    Health care as it is defined for anyone who needs or uses medical care. Women are "persons", too....and they probably have more religious beliefs and medical needs than a corporation does. So is their health care any less important than a man's?


    Do you think an employee should give up 'their' religious beliefs and individual liberties just because they have to punch a time clock?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    You have to pay a co-pay for Viagra. It's not free. Besides which, it's not a contraceptive. I'ts an anti-contraceptive.
    Most contraceptives have a co-pay. I have to pay one each month for my pills from my insurance through work. I don't really care about paying because I can and do but they don't even offer a co-pay on certain types which does bother me.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Ahhh spoken like a young man without much experience around women. Substitute preventable 'condition' that hurts the work force and if ill timed, hurts the economic success of a family/female for 'disease' and you start tracking this properly.

    Next, having raised a female and spent several decades married to one, I can tell you the pill helps in a few other conditions... in our daughter it helped with her cramps AND regularity of cycle. If you have known many parents of young girls turning into 'functional' women you'd hear horror story after story about that unexpected period. The hormone therapy helps settle the cycle and gives tremendous peace of mind for all involved. (Thank GOD!)

    A condition like allergies or prenatal vitamins, ultra sounds and the like. No real threat to my health if I have simple hay fever- no disease involved with pregnancy, but vitamins and ultras help PREVENT certain unwanted CONDITIONS for occurring.

    If I understand the decision the Court ruled that only the methods that work AFTER conception are subject to the ruling. BC pills act BEFORE the egg gets fertilized. One type stops ovulation, the other stops sperm from entering the uterus. Those types should still be allowable as they do not 'abort' a fertilized egg.

    Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out....
    That's not true at all. The court ruled on a set of facts, but the ruling is much broader than the narrow set of facts before it. They don't waste their time resolving issue of which of 20 options must be covered, and in fact conceded that covering all options serves a legitimate purpose. So HL or any of the dozens of others suing, and the thousands or 10s of thousands of other small businesses, could decide to cover 1 or 4 or zero or 19 of the available options and the ruling says that is OK.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Ahhh spoken like a young man without much experience around women. Substitute preventable 'condition' that hurts the work force and if ill timed, hurts the economic success of a family/female for 'disease' and you start tracking this properly.

    Next, having raised a female and spent several decades married to one, I can tell you the pill helps in a few other conditions... in our daughter it helped with her cramps AND regularity of cycle. If you have known many parents of young girls turning into 'functional' women you'd hear horror story after story about that unexpected period. The hormone therapy helps settle the cycle and gives tremendous peace of mind for all involved. (Thank GOD!)

    A condition like allergies or prenatal vitamins, ultra sounds and the like. No real threat to my health if I have simple hay fever- no disease involved with pregnancy, but vitamins and ultras help PREVENT certain unwanted CONDITIONS for occurring.

    If I understand the decision the Court ruled that only the methods that work AFTER conception are subject to the ruling. BC pills act BEFORE the egg gets fertilized. One type stops ovulation, the other stops sperm from entering the uterus. Those types should still be allowable as they do not 'abort' a fertilized egg.

    Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out....
    I just find it amusing that contraceptives fall, for the Administration at least, into the category of "disease prevention". A little top heavy with the radical feminists, perhaps?

    There are all kinds of medications that prevent missing work due to all kinds of problems. Anti-diarrheal medications, or anti-migraine medications, for example. But none of them are free. You have to pay a co-pay for all of them.

    No, the only reason contraceptives were free was because the Administration deemed them disease preventatives. And that, I suspect, was mostly for political, "we're your good buddies, honey pie," sort of pandering.

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