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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Hobby Lobby isn't trying to deny contraceptives to everyone. They are surely aware that women will still get contraceptives whether they provide them or not. They just didn't want to be the ones providing them. That was the whole point; it's a religious objection. That doesn't make it an "empty gesture".
    I guess I disagree, but perhaps reasonable people can on that narrow issue. But if you take the end result proposed by the courts, there is really no change on the ground. If HL had lost, their plan would have covered all 20 options for free. HL won, and if the court's proposed remedy is put in place, all 20 are covered for free, and paid for by the same insurance company administering the HL plan, and for the same employees. The changes is the official 'HL Insurance Drug List" doesn't include the names of those 4, but access by employees to those 4 is unaffected

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    I heard somewhere that HL pays double the minimum wage.
    It's a War On Women, doncha know.
    And I see you also labor under the delusion that the only employees affected are HL employees.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No, I don't know. Do you know how many women working for HL or the approximately half the working population in small, family owned firms who will be affected and who are part of the millions of working poor? Do you assume that number is positive?

    As an aside, I'm not quite sure why you keep pretending that the only people impacted are the employees of one corporation. Dozens have sued for the same right HL sued - to deny coverage for contraceptives. This ruling is much broader than just HL and the other named plaintiffs. Surely this is obvious, right?
    No this has nothing at all to do with any imagined hardship for anyone. What this is about is the left being butthurt over being slapped down by SCOTUS once again. Again and again the Administration has tried to enact their far left wing policies by over-reaching their authority only to get slapped down by the court. It seems to be a pattern with them. They want so much to be tyrants and to be able to run everything by their own whims that they are forgetting to wait for the day when they have that kind of power. And it's not like they lost on anything that's even significant, it's just that they are in a narcissistic rage about not getting 100% of what they wanted.

    As for not being able to get 4 kinds of contraceptives out of over 2 dozen different kinds of contraceptives, this is next to meaningless. It will affect no one. It will cause no one any hardship, and it will have almost no effect on the ACA.

    It does, at least, mean that the government can't run roughshod over people's religious beliefs. Again, this is something the left dearly wanted to be able to do, not for any practical reason but just because they hate religious people so much, which is why they insisted on going to the mat over this.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    A bogus religious objection:





    Almost all of the products sold by Hobby Lobby were made in China. China has mandatory abortion laws.

    Hobby Lobby = Hypocrisy Lobby.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Ginsburg's dissent focusing in on the slippery slope argument doesn't highlight the issues with this ruling, but rather the issues as it relates to a law that is mandating all insurance to become one generalized cookie cutter mold. If enough muslim ran companies wanted to offer health insurance to their employees as a BENEFIT, but wish to only offer one that covers items derived from a pig, then there would likely have been an insurance plan specializing in such a thing that they could've offered as part of their benefits package. That's not a problem, but how a market works. Ginsburg's slippery slope dissent simply highlights the issues caused by the ACA. Other laws and constitutional principles shouldn't change by fiat simply to make sure this law actually "works".

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    A bogus religious objection:

    And a bogus retort on your part. Religious objections are what religious people say they are. Unbelievers don't and can't understand.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    The left is fond of saying something is "settled law," when they happen to agree with that law yet all day long yesterday the usual suspects on the left were talking about how they need to act in Congress to subvert the hobby lobby decision. If they weren't doing that they were cheering on Obama for threatening to use an EO for immigration reform.

    Leftists have zero respect for the Democratic and legislative processes. Inside every leftist is an intolerant totalitarian just itching to run roughshod over everyone else's rights and advance their own personal agenda at all costs.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    And a bogus retort on your part. Religious objections are what religious people say they are. Unbelievers don't and can't understand.
    Where do you stand on the full coverage for viagra? Doesn't that prescription go against God's plan to not let your little guy up anymore?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Where do you stand on the full coverage for viagra? Doesn't that prescription go against God's plan to not let your little guy up anymore?
    Is viagra a contraceptive?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I guess I disagree, but perhaps reasonable people can on that narrow issue. But if you take the end result proposed by the courts, there is really no change on the ground. If HL had lost, their plan would have covered all 20 options for free. HL won, and if the court's proposed remedy is put in place, all 20 are covered for free, and paid for by the same insurance company administering the HL plan, and for the same employees. The changes is the official 'HL Insurance Drug List" doesn't include the names of those 4, but access by employees to those 4 is unaffected
    It is often in the nature of religious ideas to be hard for unbelievers to understand. Four contraceptives might not seem like much of anything, and from a practical standpoint it's not, but for the religious it can be a distinction with tons of meaning.

    It might not be in your nature to respect religious beliefs, but for legal purposes respect for religious beliefs is mandatory.

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