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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I'll address it. The decision was narrow by design, but I don't see any fabrication. I did not see the specific religion thingy. Did the ruling state only Christians? I thought it only addressed closely hold corporations. Does not the law apply to other closely held corporations? Perhaps with differing religious belief's?
    As I posted to another person earlier, Ginsburg's dissent expresses my fear of establishment of religion in this case...

    "Would the exemption…extend to employers with religiously grounded objections to blood transfusions (Jehovah's Witnesses); antidepressants (Scientologists); medications derived from pigs, including anesthesia, intravenous fluids, and pills coated with gelatin (certain Muslims, Jews, and Hindus); and vaccinations[?]…Not much help there for the lower courts bound by today's decision."

    The scotus has fabricated a precedent where all the lower courts are now supposed to be bound by in future rulings regarding religion opting out of law... for whatever religious reason. If the scotus and the lower courts do not rule consistently on this from religion to religion regardless of any bias that that religion claims that they can now bring to the fore... then the courts are making an establishment of religion.

    It's a pick your poison situation now. Either stand by this ruling and consistently let any religious discrimination trump law, or have the courts ignore this precedent and just make **** up willy nilly... which has the side effect of saying it only applies to the one religion... violating the establishment clause.

    Either way sucks terribly and both ways can arguably be unconstitutional.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    I sure hadn't heard that she moved to California. Last I heard of her, she was at Georgetown University. Time sure does have a habit of moving right along, ready or not, doesn't it?
    According to wiki, she graduated in 2012 and passed the California bar that summer.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    I am not as concerned about corporations being able to deny someone the pill. I am more concerned that now corporations have the right to deny you anything based on religious freedom. For example holiday pay, bonuses, career growth, etc. This law doesn't apply to just HL, it applies to ALL corporations. This was a major middle finger to freedom of the people.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    This ruling just seems so from the hip rather than thought out.
    I don't know, I am no expert on the SCOTUS or constitutional law. I do know every time I think the SCOTUS will rule one way, they always rule the other. I am just a layman that when I read the constitution I take its meaning to be what it says in plain English. I have never took a course in that foreign language call lawyerese. Where shall not means you will and shall means you won't.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    as a christian myself I find this ruling very scary since it has potential to basic grant religion special rights and not equal rights.

    To be clear i dont so much base that on THIS particular case I worry how the ruling/precedence could be used for a "company" say muslim owned/identity to deny me something to me simply because im a christian or my christian faith or based on thier faith.

    We should NEVER stumble down the road of special rules and treatments for business, all business should have to play by the same rules.

    As far as relating this to religion, obama care etc. All meanignless and crap to me this is a rights issue.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Balls View Post
    I am not as concerned about corporations being able to deny someone the pill. I am more concerned that now corporations have the right to deny you anything based on religious freedom. For example holiday pay, bonuses, career growth, etc. This law doesn't apply to just HL, it applies to ALL corporations. This was a major middle finger to freedom of the people.
    We're getting to the point where corporations have more freedoms than people.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Balls View Post
    I am not as concerned about corporations being able to deny someone the pill. I am more concerned that now corporations have the right to deny you anything based on religious freedom. For example holiday pay, bonuses, career growth, etc. This law doesn't apply to just HL, it applies to ALL corporations. This was a major middle finger to freedom of the people.
    This ruling applies to close hold companies or family owned companies, not those that are publicly traded.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Balls View Post
    I am not as concerned about corporations being able to deny someone the pill. I am more concerned that now corporations have the right to deny you anything based on religious freedom. For example holiday pay, bonuses, career growth, etc. This law doesn't apply to just HL, it applies to ALL corporations. This was a major middle finger to freedom of the people.
    I agree 100% BUT i must admit im no educated on this topic/actual ruling yet.

    I have the same fears and concern about the huge impact it "could" have to freedom but that could change after I learn more.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    We're getting to the point where corporations have more freedoms than people.
    more freedoms and LESS accountability
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Balls View Post
    I am not as concerned about corporations being able to deny someone the pill. I am more concerned that now corporations have the right to deny you anything based on religious freedom. For example holiday pay, bonuses, career growth, etc. This law doesn't apply to just HL, it applies to ALL corporations. This was a major middle finger to freedom of the people.
    They aren't "denying" anyone. They simply can't be forced to pay for it and give it to someone for free, when doing so violates their faith. Bit of an important distinction, there. One that even the left used to understand.


    Both those dancing that this is the end of Obamacare and those claiming that this means some kind of abuse of citizens by religion are blowing this thing way out of proportion and reality.
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