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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What exactly makes Sandra Fluke a "loon"? Are we going to start mischaracterizing all of her statements yet again?
    If pain medications and insulin are not supplied at no additional out of pocket cost then why should birth control prescriptions be? The idea that "my preferred stuff" should be included in everyone's premiums but not "your preferred stuff" is loony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    FFS Rob. Be honest. You just mentioned China in the post I responded to.

    I don't want to get infracted so I have to move on from you.
    Why are you ignoring my posts about constitutionality? You even "LIKED" a guy's post who quoted one of my posts on it's constitutionality and still ignored my post. I'm making the constitutionality argument over and over in here. In fact, the only time I'm not talking about the constitutionality issue is when you keep putting me on the defensive to have me explain my very first post that really briefly mentioned china. That is all.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If pain medications and insulin are not supplied at no additional out of pocket cost then why should birth control prescriptions be? The idea that "my preferred stuff" should be included in everyone's premiums but not "your preferred stuff" is loony.
    I don't think Sandra Fluke ever argued that pain meds and insulin should not be supplied at no additional out of pocket cost. If you can find where she did, please feel free to link to it.

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    A candidate for what? I hadn't heard about that.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Why are you ignoring my posts about constitutionality? You even "LIKED" a guy's post who quoted one of my posts on it's constitutionality and still ignored my post. I'm making the constitutionality argument over and over in here. In fact, the only time I'm not talking about the constitutionality issue is when you keep putting me on the defensive to have me explain my very first post that really briefly mentioned china. That is all.
    I didn't like every post in this thread, Rob. There are over 500 of them now.

    I'm glad you're looking to talk about constitutionality. That's what this thread is about.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Or you could try to find out why your boys refuse to rule on precedent and instead just fabricates one time bias laws from the bench. Then you can actually begin to understand how a nation of laws is supposed to work and therefore learn what is and isn't unconstitutional instead of doing these throw-away non sequiturs.
    I'll respond to your original post. You took a shot at someone's boys, stating that they refused to rule on precedent and fabricated a one time bias law.

    I asked which precedent? Now I'll ask what fabrication?

    The remainder of your post speaks for itself.

    BTW, I'm referring to 444, 449, and 475
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    She just said family owned which violate their religious views. Now I am trying to remember some of the specifics, I was trying to listen and the wife was talking and she was expecting me to listen to her which I was trying to ignore her and listen to the radio. I do not think it applied to a specific religion. But maybe it did as the lawyer did say it was a narrow decision that only a few other family owned companies could fall under it. I don't know.

    I suppose none of really knows all the repercussions as each of us is going by what was reported on TV, the radio or what they read in an article somewhere.
    From Ginsburg's dissent:

    "Would the exemption…extend to employers with religiously grounded objections to blood transfusions (Jehovah's Witnesses); antidepressants (Scientologists); medications derived from pigs, including anesthesia, intravenous fluids, and pills coated with gelatin (certain Muslims, Jews, and Hindus); and vaccinations[?]…Not much help there for the lower courts bound by today's decision."

    "Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be 'perceived as favoring one religion over another,' the very 'risk the [Constitution's] Establishment Clause was designed to preclude."

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I'll respond to your original post. You took a shot at someone's boys, stating that they refused to rule on precedent and fabricated a one time bias law.

    I asked which precedent? Now I'll ask what fabrication?

    The remainder of your post speaks for itself.
    The fabrication is making a ruling favoring a specific religion and that the law won't apply to others across the board. Your repeated lack of addressing that in my previous posts speaks for itself.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Happy Monday Pol! I hope you are well my friend.

    Sandra Fluke I think actually started all of this.
    There are "Carrie Nation" types in every movement, I guess. And they all seem to have that same disgruntled unhappy aura about them, too, like life gave them lemons instead of roses. Weird...

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I don't think Sandra Fluke ever argued that pain meds and insulin should not be supplied at no additional out of pocket cost. If you can find where she did, please feel free to link to it.



    California state senate.

    Hello, Polgara.
    The bolded above is my point exactly. She was squawking over her pet issue at the time and ignoring the bigger picture. That is why it is bad news for the gov't to try to micromanage "private" medical care insurance provisions. Why does age affect premium rates but not obesity?
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