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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The most ridiculous objection statement goes to Ginsburg:



    How a national "labor" law that exempts employers of up to 50 (now 100 under the latest Obama "wait until after the midterm election" tweak) employees is deemed to be "uniform compliance" in the first place is beyond insane. PPACA had no uniform employer mandate in the first place. I guess since progressive taxation is A-OK constitutionally then progressive labor laws are cool too - unless they contain conscientious objection provisions that rile up progressive justices.

    Ginsburg is a qualified lunatic and hard core Progressive.

    A absolute stain on the Highest court

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    I have been posting about the Constitutionality since I started this thread. I never mentioned China or anything but the Constitutionality.
    Then stop talking about it. I sure have...
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That isn't the same thing as telling someone they can't use birth control.

    Birth control isn't an entitlement, and it isn't something that an employer should be obligated to offer - the ACA notwithstanding.

    The HL employees will still have covered birth control.

    There is no infringement on them. If the 16 covered forms aren't good enough, they can pay for them themselves. If they can't stand the idea of insurance not covering them, then they don't belong in a company like Hobby Lobby and would be wise to move on.

    Not paying for something in no way is the same thing as denying someone something.
    Let's go back to what I said: "But, how is it in their right to tell someone else they cannot because it will not be paid for?"

    I didn't say HL said they couldn't take it. Not like they're testing for BC. However, their insurance will not cover those contraceptives. Like I told Fletch, it is the employee's insurance. If they want coverage, let them get coverage. I disagree, with that. If you were diabetic and, instead of receiving insulin - you got to choose something a little bit less. Would you be happy with that?

    Not making it a potential part of their medical coverage, is denying them that.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No, what is dishonest, and not too bright, is to try to justify applying a principle only to those with whom you agree. We're done.
    No, we're not quite done.

    You thought it would be clever to drop the KKK in such a way as to associate them with Christians who have a moral dilemma with contraception based upon their Christian beliefs. In the process of doing so you made the false assertion that the KKK's justification for their bigoted beliefs was Christianity, a point which I called you out on and that you are now trying to run away from. The KKK's bigotry is based on hatred pure and simple. They only reference religion as a means of camouflage. Most people can easily see the difference but I guess you cannot. Either that or you were just trying to slide by a poorly thought out strawman and got caught with your fly open. Either way it's an epic fail.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Regardless.....the harder you make it to get contraceptives, the more likely unwanted pregnancies will occur which means increase abortions. This is true whether you like it or not. By making contraceptives harder to get, these Christian lobby groups have insured that more abortions will occur. I wonder how they feel about the blood on their hands.
    Your statement is bull****, it's untrue. Hobby Lobby employees will be able to get 12 kinds of contraception.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Then stop talking about it. I sure have...
    FFS Rob. Be honest. You just mentioned China in the post I responded to.

    I don't want to get infracted so I have to move on from you.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Even if they didn't, it wouldn't matter. This was never about the money. It was about constricting Hobby Lobby's right to exercise their religious freedom against the ACA which disregards religious beliefs when addressing contraception.
    : Did you notice that they have now dragged Sandra Fluke out again? Unbelievable!

    Greetings, tres borrachos.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Let's go back to what I said: "But, how is it in their right to tell someone else they cannot because it will not be paid for?"

    I didn't say HL said they couldn't take it. Not like they're testing for BC. However, their insurance will not cover those contraceptives. Like I told Fletch, it is the employee's insurance. If they want coverage, let them get coverage. I disagree, with that. If you were diabetic and, instead of receiving insulin - you got to choose something a little bit less. Would you be happy with that?

    Not making it a potential part of their medical coverage, is denying them that.


    I am diabetic, and I do take insulin. I have posted about it on here elsewhere. And PS, my insurance - Cadillac by ACA defintion, does not cover every single form of insulin on the market, and in fact, I had to work with my endocrinologist when she told me I needed to start taking insulin a few months ago so she could prescribe the ones covered by my plan.

    I can NOT believe you actually equated the problems of a diabetic with someone not getting 4 of 20 types of birth control paid for. Insulin is keeping me alive.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : Did you notice that they have now dragged Sandra Fluke out again? Unbelievable!

    Greetings, tres borrachos.
    So what? She's a political candidate now, and was pretty high profile on this issue fairly recently. What's the big deal if she gets to write some op-ed?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : Did you notice that they have now dragged Sandra Fluke out again? Unbelievable!

    Greetings, tres borrachos.
    Yep, calling a loon a slut is just like advocating the bombing of a business (purely out of concern for its employees, of course).
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