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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Sadly, this decision will probably result in an increase in abortions. Good job Christian lobby group!
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sadly, this decision will probably result in an increase in abortions. Good job Christian lobby group!
    That's fine as long as I don't have to pay for it.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well like I said in another post here, how far does that religious freedom of a company go. Can they claim that a procedure such as a transfusion, etc. shouldn't be paid for because it goes against their religion?
    I suppose one day we'll find out, but that seems unreasonable while the Hobby Lobby case seemed to be quite reasonable. The belief that abortion is murder is one widely held by widely accepted religion in this country. Snake-handling and Peyote cults (or "blood transfusions are evil" cults) would have one hell of an uphill battle trying to establish a similar argument against ObamaCare. The fact that the Hobby Lobby already provides over a dozen forms of contraceptive and only objects to 4 that the FDA claims can destroy a fetus is pretty good evidence that this isn't about anything BUT religious convictions.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I agree, and have said that.

    This wasn't a positive ruling for HHS in any way, shape or form. That is the reality.
    That is correct, HHS lost on this one.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Basically the Supreme Court sidestepped the bigger more important issue if larger publicly traded company's can hold religious beliefs, but a closely held one like Hobby Lobby can. Really people are going to think this decision by itself will do more than what it actually does.
    What it actually does is get Obamacare's foot off the neck of Hobby Lobby only in the case of the 4 drugs they listed for the reasons they listed. It is not a poison pill to Obamacare and it will have precious little affect on companies outside of Hobby Lobby and virtually none on ObamaCare.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well like I said in another post here, how far does that religious freedom of a company go. Can they claim that a procedure such as a transfusion, etc. shouldn't be paid for because it goes against their religion?
    Exactly. What possible legal distinction can you possibly make between contraception and blood transfusion? Or what about psychiatric drugs?

    The only difference is that many Christians are anti-contraception. Anti-psychiatric dogmas et al are held by other religions, like Scientology.. Which apparently don't count.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    What it actually does is get Obamacare's foot off the neck of Hobby Lobby only in the case of the 4 drugs they listed for the reasons they listed. It is not a poison pill to Obamacare and it will have precious little affect on companies outside of Hobby Lobby and virtually none on ObamaCare.
    Obamacare itself won't be impacted.

    This was a victory for the First Amendment, and a loss for HHS.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Obamacare itself won't be impacted.

    This was a victory for the First Amendment, and a loss for HHS.
    That's it in a nutshell.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Basically the Supreme Court sidestepped the bigger more important issue if larger publicly traded company's can hold religious beliefs, but a closely held one like Hobby Lobby can. Really people are going to think this decision by itself will do more than what it actually does.
    This is precisely my issue with the judgment. A corporation is a legal separate entity. Because it's NOT the owner/s. This makes corporations appear to be able to hold beliefs of it's owners and thus can potentially tear down the wall between the owners and the business.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This is a decision I actually didn't expect. I was starting to think we were stepping backwards in the Constitutional protection of freedom of religious expression. I'm not religious, but many others are, and it was starting to trend against them.

    The upshot I see in all of this is that SCOUS ruled that HHS doesn't supercede the First Amendment.
    It is exactly what I expected. But what most don't seem to realize is that his decision is not, per se, a 'win'. IMO, businesses can begin finding many services morally objectionable and begin refusing to pay for them. As that occurs more and more people will be forced to buy their insurance through the exchanges, thus bringing us closer to the 'single payer' system that Obama wanted from the very beginning.
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