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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Good, then we're done talking about China.

    My political opposition to what though?
    People you are politically opposed to.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You are supposed to rule on precedent if there is a similar case you can refer to. I don't have one that I can put out there. So, if there isn't one then you basically create a precedent for future cases to refer to. This isn't a bad thing... it does happen sometimes when there isn't a precedent to refer to. The one off that they did was to say that this only applies to this specific religion in this specific way. To say that basically created a precedent for future cases to not need precedent any more.

    Apparently they were presented with a slippery slope argument and they basically did away with it by saying, this law only applies to this case where the religion of this size company and smaller can use their executive's religion as an excuse not to provide this part of an existing law... BUT it cannot apply to another religion who wants exemption (like Jehovah's Witnesses) to opt out of health care coverage because of their opposition to blood transfusions.

    Because this ruling does not apply across the board then it backs a specific religion's specific issue and therefore this ruling is making a law respecting an establishment of religion.

    1st Amendment...
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
    Yes, it was a narrow ruling that only applied to what they termed Closed Hold Companies or family owned of a certain size. Not to any publicly traded companies or corporations. Listening to a lawyer on the radio on the way home, she said this ruling applies to Hobby Lobby and its 13,000 employees and perhaps to a few other family owned companies that meet the criteria of a Closed hold Company. She estimate it might apply if they so choose to no more than 50,000 employees nationwide.

    Time will tell if she was wrong or not. But the way she explained it do not expect GM or GE or some other corporation to start denying certain types of contraceptives. They do not fall under this ruling.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    People you are politically opposed to.
    Is that was this is to you? Politics? Not to me. It's Constitutional. I'm sorry you are driven by political partisanship, Rob. I'm not.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    People can still go out and purchase their contraceptives with their own money. The general idea here is that people are equal in their rights. If I as your employer have some religious objection to abortion, it is perfectly within my right to not provide coverage that includes abortion. It is perfectly within your right to work elsewhere if this imposes some burden upon you.

    The simple truth here is that democrats injected this poison into the legislation for purely political reasons. Contraceptives are cheap and easily accessable to everyone. There is no reason whatsoever to make them part of health insurance.
    : Plus, Planned Parenthood will give free BC pills to whoever asks, so money is not a consideration here, IMO.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    The most ridiculous objection statement goes to Ginsburg:

    In a dissent she read aloud from the bench, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg called the decision "potentially sweeping" because it minimizes the government's interest in uniform compliance with laws affecting the workplace. "And it discounts the disadvantages religion-based opt outs impose on others, in particular, employees who do not share their employer's religious beliefs," Ginsburg said.
    How a national "labor" law that exempts employers of up to 50 (now 100 under the latest Obama "wait until after the midterm election" tweak) employees is deemed to be "uniform compliance" in the first place is beyond insane. PPACA had no uniform employer mandate in the first place. I guess since progressive taxation is A-OK constitutionally then progressive labor laws are cool too - unless they contain conscientious objection provisions that rile up progressive justices.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Is that was this is to you? Politics? Not to me. It's Constitutional. I'm sorry you are driven by political partisanship, Rob. I'm not.
    I went on and on with you about that and you ignored it and opted for the china bit. If you really want to talk about the constitutionality of it you should've replied to the rest of my posts.

    This is a good one to start with...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063471626
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I went on and on with you about that and you ignored it and opted for the china bit. If you really want to talk about the constitutionality of it you should've replied to the rest of my posts.

    This is a good one to start with...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063471626
    I have been posting about the Constitutionality since I started this thread. I never mentioned China or anything but the Constitutionality.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The failure rate of condoms in preventing pregnancy isn't a secret. Condom Knowledge Not Common Knowledge

    Are you seriously THAT dishonest ?

    Selective out of context quotes from a article that explicitly addresses the failure rates in reference to improper use is just dishonest.

    I'm guessing Hobby Lobby vets their employees well enough to hire intelligent, people not morons.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yes, it was a narrow ruling that only applied to what they termed Closed Hold Companies or family owned of a certain size. Not to any publicly traded companies or corporations. Listening to a lawyer on the radio on the way home, she said this ruling applies to Hobby Lobby and its 13,000 employees and perhaps to a few other family owned companies that meet the criteria of a Closed hold Company. She estimate it might apply if they so choose to no more than 50,000 employees nationwide.

    Time will tell if she was wrong or not. But the way she explained it do not expect GM or GE or some other corporation to start denying certain types of contraceptives. They do not fall under this ruling.
    I can see gearing different laws, boundaries and rules to different sized companies for various reasons but the whole gearing it to a specific religion in a specific way... that's damn creepy and very unconstitutional.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : Plus, Planned Parenthood will give free BC pills to whoever asks, so money is not a consideration here, IMO.

    Greetings, Fletch.
    Even if they didn't, it wouldn't matter. This was never about the money. It was about constricting Hobby Lobby's right to exercise their religious freedom against the ACA which disregards religious beliefs when addressing contraception.

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