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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post


    I disagree. I'm not sure how this is a victory for religious freedom. As this religious freedom also protects those of us who lack any religion from those who have a religion and this ruling does not do that. It's a victory for those with religion but a loss to those without religion, so I'm not sure why you're calling it a victory for religious freedom.


    I don't have any religion. But I respect that the Constitution protects people's rights to hold religious beliefs and practice them without being incumbered by the US government.

    As someone without any religious beliefs, how would this ruling impact me personally? It wouldn't.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You either rule by referring to similar cases of government and corporate issues (not just contraception related) OR in some cases where there isn't you have to realize that you are creating precedent. This is what they did.

    Mind you that Scalia has in the past wailed against using precedent to make his rulings because he declares himself a "textualist" which is his fancy way of saying, "I just want to make **** up as I go."
    So, should the SC have ruled by using precedent, or should they have ruled setting precedent? If the former, then what precedent? If, as you contend, they made a one time biased ruling which sets precedent, please explain.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't have any religion. But I respect that the Constitution protects people's rights to hold religious beliefs and practice them without being incumbered by the US government.

    As someone without any religious beliefs, how would this ruling impact me personally? It wouldn't.
    It gives someone / something with religion the decision-making power over those who might be a follower of a different religion or even someone who is non-religious. Sure, HL can practice their beliefs, no one is forcing them to take BC (last I checked ). But, how is it in their right to tell someone else they cannot because it will not be paid for?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    In no way does precedent mean you have to have exactly the same case prior to refer to. That's just a dodge.

    But in no way does a court have the right to make a law or a ruling on a law that applies singularly... unlike laws are intended to do. We are all supposed to live by the same laws... so for them to say that only this brand of Christianity in this case does this ruling apply. That is bogus crap.

    It's creating a precedent for future cases where no structure need apply to rulings. Therefore creating a nation of men instead a nation of laws.
    But what about the laws we already have on the books? The Justices cited the federal law, Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (RFRA) that the abortion pill mandate was in violation. This law was aimed at preventing laws that substantially burden a person's free exercise of their religion. And for the record the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (RFRA) was signed into law by Bill Clinton.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    In my Hobby Lobby, a voice over the loudspeaker said;

    attention female employees, may we have your attention please,

    chastity belts are now 50% and are in aisle number six, while supplies last!

    attention male employees!

    you'll need to keep it in your pants now because of the SCROTUS ruling!
    I bet ya that the scrapbookers could make some pretty awesome pasties!!!!But they probably should not hold them in place with a hot glue gun, glue dots would probably suffice.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What? The thread isn't about China, Rob. It's about the ruling today. The SCOTUS decision wasn't based on China.

    My political opposition to what exactly?
    I dropped the China thing after my very first post aside from telling you flat out that my china comment was about Hobby Lobby bringing the case and not about the ruling today. I freegin' agreed with you on that... and yet you are the one that keeps drudging it up and beating me over the head with it several posts in a row now so as to avoid anything I've said since then.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    It gives someone / something with religion the decision-making power over those who might be a follower of a different religion or even someone who is non-religious. Sure, HL can practice their beliefs, no one is forcing them to take BC (last I checked ). But, how is it in their right to tell someone else they cannot because it will not be paid for?
    But they never said someone can't take birth control, so I'm not sure what that means.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I dropped the China thing after my very first post aside from telling you flat out that my china comment was about Hobby Lobby bringing the case and not about the ruling today. I freegin' agreed with you on that... and yet you are the one that keeps drudging it up and beating me over the head with it several posts in a row now so as to avoid anything I've said since then.
    Good, then we're done talking about China.

    My political opposition to what though?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Correct.

    And furthermore, it is my understanding that the ruling is applicable to 2 or 3 specific to post conception, abortion inducing medications. Contraception medication is still covered by these businesses, in spite of the deranged, false reporting and fear mongering by the Biased Lame Stream Media that women's contraception or women's reproductive healthcare are being denied. No they are not. Neither is true. Cast a jaundiced eye at what the agenda driven idiots of the Biased Lame Stream Media are spouting.
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