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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    What I found interesting is even though they saw the mandate a violation of religious freedom, they cited federal law, Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (RFRA) that the abortion pill mandate was in violation. The court did not need to reach the larger question of whether the Obamacare mandate also violates Americans’ First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Or you could try to find out why your boys refuse to rule on precedent and instead just fabricates one time bias laws from the bench. Then you can actually begin to understand how a nation of laws is supposed to work and therefore learn what is and isn't unconstitutional instead of doing these throw-away non sequiturs.
    Is there a precedent concerning the right of government to demand that they have the right to force companies to provide contraceptives?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Actually I was technically wrong as it is closely held corporations rather closed. Errors like that is probably why I got a B in my Business Associations class. But joking aside yeah you pretty much have the right idea, legal names aren't all that important as long as you can tell the difference between a closely held and publicly traded corporations.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Is there a precedent concerning the right of government to demand that they have the right to force companies to provide contraceptives?
    In no way does precedent mean you have to have exactly the same case prior to refer to. That's just a dodge.

    But in no way does a court have the right to make a law or a ruling on a law that applies singularly... unlike laws are intended to do. We are all supposed to live by the same laws... so for them to say that only this brand of Christianity in this case does this ruling apply. That is bogus crap.

    It's creating a precedent for future cases where no structure need apply to rulings. Therefore creating a nation of men instead a nation of laws.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But another company could and presumably will ban all forms, not just the 14 or 16. All they need to do is assert a deeply held religious conviction, and the courts presume it's legitimate. And it isn't limited to family companies, at least not anything I saw said so. The only limit is practical - it's less likely GE will assert deeply held religious beliefs as it has thousands of owners, but the ruling didn't say GE couldn't make the assertion.
    Thanks to Soccerboy I now have the correct term, closely held corporations is what this ruling applies to. Or as I stated family owned business with deeply held religious views. Not your publicly traded corporations like GE.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    In no way does precedent mean you have to have exactly the same case prior to refer to. That's just a dodge.
    Then help me out. In the context of your post, and the law, how are you using the word precedent?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    The KKK members beliefs are based on their interpretation of the Bible. It is a theology. That it is what the rest of us believe to be a hateful theology is irrelevant. I most certainly am not 'attempting' anything. I have already stated I completely agree with the ruling, I have zero motivation for vilifying what you perceive to be my opposition, because I don't think the outcome of the ruling should be changed.

    I do believe the court has opened up the right of KKK members to discriminate. Nevertheless, it is still probably the correct ruling.
    The bible is an excuse, and a lame one at that.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    The bible is an excuse, and a lame one at that.
    So, we all get to decide when the Bible is a lame excuse and when it isn't? Is that what you are advocating?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Then help me out. In the context of your post, and the law, how are you using the word precedent?
    You either rule by referring to similar cases of government and corporate issues (not just contraception related) OR in some cases where there isn't you have to realize that you are creating precedent. This is what they did.

    Mind you that Scalia has in the past wailed against using precedent to make his rulings because he declares himself a "textualist" which is his fancy way of saying, "I just want to make **** up as I go."
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    No it's not.

    The law is that insurance companies must provide birth control for free.
    So if you don't have health insurance, no free birth control.

    We also have federal laws about entering this nation illegally but liberals don't seem to give a damn about those laws.
    No, it's not.
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