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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    This isn't a pro-life victory, but if you want to delude yourself by all means. This is a victory for religious freedom. In the end what these drugs do or don't do are irrelvant. It is the fact that the Greens feel that they do something against their religion as they interpret it. All the other forms of conception, which many Roman Catholics see as also against their "pro-life" stance, do not violate the Greens' religious principles.
    That's what I heard too. Something like 14 types of contraceptives are fine with them, it is only the 4 that could cause abortion. The ruling if I understand it right only effects family owned companies of a certain size. Correct me if I am wrong.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That's what I heard too. Something like 14 types of contraceptives are fine with them, it is only the 4 that could cause abortion. The ruling if I understand it right only effects family owned companies of a certain size. Correct me if I am wrong.
    Technically it is "closed" corporations, but it is pretty much family run. Think of Bluth family from Arrested Development.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Technically it is "closed" corporations, but it is pretty much family run. Think of Bluth family from Arrested Development.
    Thank you. The technical term for these things always averts me. But as long as everyone knows what is meant I think is the important thing. Closed Corporation, I got it as long as my old brain remembers it.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    Alito states in his opinion that the ruling only applies to contraception. Its no broader than that.
    Well, if it's that's true and it's no broader than that, it's just a case of legislating from the bench. The Senate considered and rejected the exemption HL wanted, and now the SC approved that bill through judicial fiat. But I don't know why the ruling would be limited to just contraception. It involves broader stakes than that, and even those applauding the decision recognize that.

    Also, you can certainly have strongly held beliefs about anything but that doesn't mean it trumps the constitutional rights of others.
    You'll have to be specific. What in the constitution, for example, demands that businesses serve interracial couples? Laws require that, but the RFLA trumps those laws per the SC today, in some cases, perhaps, depending etc.

    In no way does this ruling say religious rights trump all other laws. In fact, there was a famous/infamous case where someone was denied the right to take peyote since that individuals religious right did not trump the law. There's plenty of subtletys here involving the religious freedom restoration act and others.
    Yes, but the RFRA effectively overruled that SC holding with peyote, or at least required a higher standard. So presumably that would be allowed under the new law.

    And it doesn't say religious rights trump laws in all cases, just some cases, and in particular drugs used by women to plan for pregnancy. One reason people are concerned is the ruling does open a door to crazy claims.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Thank you. The technical term for these things always averts me. But as long as everyone knows what is meant I think is the important thing. Closed Corporation, I got it as long as my old brain remembers it.
    Actually I was technically wrong as it is closely held corporations rather closed. Errors like that is probably why I got a B in my Business Associations class. But joking aside yeah you pretty much have the right idea, legal names aren't all that important as long as you can tell the difference between a closely held and publicly traded corporations.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That's what I heard too. Something like 14 types of contraceptives are fine with them, it is only the 4 that could cause abortion. The ruling if I understand it right only effects family owned companies of a certain size. Correct me if I am wrong.
    But another company could and presumably will ban all forms, not just the 14 or 16. All they need to do is assert a deeply held religious conviction, and the courts presume it's legitimate. And it isn't limited to family companies, at least not anything I saw said so. The only limit is practical - it's less likely GE will assert deeply held religious beliefs as it has thousands of owners, but the ruling didn't say GE couldn't make the assertion.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    From what I saw their ruling pertains only to "closely held" corporations/employers.
    They are the ones most likely to object on the religious grounds established by the Religious Freedom Act to begin with.
    That may be practically true, but the ruling didn't set any limits on who can file these claims. It certainly didn't specify any kind of 'closely held' test that anyone can identify. What if a Saudi buys 50.01% of Bank of America? Can it make a claim based on Sharia? Who knows?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But another company could and presumably will ban all forms, not just the 14 or 16. All they need to do is assert a deeply held religious conviction, and the courts presume it's legitimate. And it isn't limited to family companies, at least not anything I saw said so. The only limit is practical - it's less likely GE will assert deeply held religious beliefs as it has thousands of owners, but the ruling didn't say GE couldn't make the assertion.
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