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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I don't understand why you think that is relevant.
    In both cases it would be about a person objecting to obeying a law based on their theology.
    One law is a law requiring the employer to provide something the employer doesn't want to do. The other would be about the employer not wanting to employ the person at all. Why should one law be treated differently than another law, in this case?
    To be more accurate it's about objecting to a regulation that wasn't in the law but was created by an unelected bureaucrat.
    There's a lot of that going around lately.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well like I said in another post here, how far does that religious freedom of a company go. Can they claim that a procedure such as a transfusion, etc. shouldn't be paid for because it goes against their religion?
    They shouldn't have to pay for insurance, period.

    It shouldn't have even gotten to the point of religious freedom. How about freedom in general?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    To be more accurate it's about objecting to a regulation that wasn't in the law but was created by an unelected bureaucrat.
    There's a lot of that going around lately.
    Perhaps, but the reality is that the Supreme Court didn't object to it on that basis, is my understanding. They seem to recognize that Congress can cede authority to bureaucrats, for some reason, though I don't think The Constitution gives that authority. In this context, that contention doesn't seem relevant either.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    It would be different in your country because your country is primarily Socialist. The people exist based on government largess, which is also their expectation when they come here.
    What? I never heard anyone speak of Texas this way before.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    Self hatred?

    Ah yes you wouldn't be a good liberal unless you served up a heaping helping of condescension toward those who disagree with you in a smug, smarmy manner would you.

    I've done fine all my life without being in a union. I have a nice home, two children a decent job and can manage my finances and I don't need a union for any of this.

    If you're unable to function and succeed as an individual and need thuggish unions to act on your behalf please don't assume everyone else shares your inferior life skills.
    You do realize much of what have is due to unions (though I'm nit sure why you leap to up unions here).

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    The phrase "the worker" has never been an American descriptor of individuals. It's an Eastern bloc, dehumanizing reference that Americans have always rejected in favor of our traditional emphasis on self-actualization. Probably useful to the more extreme Obama supporters and socialist Europeans, however.
    Nonsense.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Perhaps, but the reality is that the
    Supreme Court didn't object to it on that basis
    , is my understanding. They seem to recognize that Congress can cede authority to bureaucrats, for some reason, though I don't think The Constitution gives that authority. In this context, that contention doesn't seem relevant either.

    For sure ... they did not.
    But that makes it worse.
    I wish they had, because had someone made a challenge on that ground the S.C. could have gutted the whole mess given how the law was changed on the fly after it was passed.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nonsense.
    No it's true. Sorry.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    For sure ... they did not.
    But that makes it worse.
    I wish they had, because had someone made a challenge on that ground the S.C. could have gutted the whole mess given how the law was changed on the fly after it was passed.
    For the SCOTUS to do that, it would have to gut so much of the law that is out there on countless other matters, it would collapse the government. The SCOTUS has explicitly recognized the authority of Congress to cede its authority to bureaucrats, and Congress does it routinely in every government agency in existence. That cat is out of the bag, and it can't be rescinded on this law without rescinding it on the whole government. If there ever was a case for stare decisis, this would be it.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    I believe this is a great victory for us who are pro life. It is significant that the 5 justices who voted in the majority were Roman Catholic. God bless them.
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