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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Freedom from the government discriminating against you is a Constitutional right in regard to specific things. There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents an employer from discriminating against you. Anti-Discrimination laws are all legislation- normal statutory law.
    How is not paying for 4 forms of birth control considered "discrimination"?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    The phrase "the worker" has never been an American descriptor of individuals. It's an Eastern bloc, dehumanizing reference that Americans have always rejected in favor of our traditional emphasis on self-actualization. Probably useful to the more extreme Obama supporters and socialist Europeans, however.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Because I don't think more abortions is a good thing.
    Serious question ... why not?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    The KKK's beliefs are based on hatred. Neither hatred nor the KKK has any relevance to the topic but why let that stop you from trying to project a false association in an attempt to establish "guilt by".
    The KKK members beliefs are based on their interpretation of the Bible. It is a theology. That it is what the rest of us believe to be a hateful theology is irrelevant. I most certainly am not 'attempting' anything. I have already stated I completely agree with the ruling, I have zero motivation for vilifying what you perceive to be my opposition, because I don't think the outcome of the ruling should be changed.

    I do believe the court has opened up the right of KKK members to discriminate. Nevertheless, it is still probably the correct ruling.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Hobby Lobby's plan isn't actually relevant, past or current, it was just interesting they were soooo burdened by covering two of the 4 that they did cover them for years without noticing.

    But the specific plan of HL doesn't matter, because now thousands of businesses can not cover any or some or all, depending, and it's unreasonable to think in this economy those at the bottom can just change jobs till they get perfect coverage. So it will affect access, we just have to decide whether and how much we care, if any.
    My SIL works for Cigna and she told me that most of her customers started scrutinizing their insurance offerings once the ACA passed, so HL investigating what their group insurance sales rep sold them isn't out of the ordinary.

    And again, SCOTUS doesn't care about that. Their only job is to apply the Constitution.

    Just curious how many females select their employer based on what birth control coverage is offered in the employer's insurance plan? I'm guessing that number to be somewhere around zero. So the idea that women will change jobs over birth control coverage seems pretty ridiculous, and if someone is "at the bottom" I would think they have bigger worries than if their insurance covers the $20 a month birth control pill or not.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How is not paying for 4 forms of birth control considered "discrimination"?
    I don't understand why you think that is relevant. In both cases it would be about a person objecting to obeying a law based on their theology. One law is a law requiring the employer to provide something the employer doesn't want to do. The other would be about the employer not wanting to employ the person at all. Why should one law be treated differently than another law, in this case?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The ruling applies to ALL employers, not just Hobby Lobby.
    And the insurance coverage is for the employees of ALL employers and their dependents. So I don't know how poor are all the employees of all employers and all of those employees' dependents.

    But I'd assume the Hobby Lobby hourly workers and their dependents run the gamut from dirt poor to wealthy. What's your point?

    Nope. It doesn't. Where'd you hear that?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    Speaking of children, something tells me that in about 20 years my children who will be gainfully employed productive members of society will be paying to support your lazy, unemployed, welfare collecting, drug addicted bastard kids.
    When I read stupid **** like this I hope there is some lazy, unemployed, welfare-collecting, drug-addicted bastard somewhere spending your tax money on crack and a two bit whore.

    How old are your kids? Have you already taught them how to use an EBT card?
    I'm sure your offspring will learn to use one.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Fair enough - we'll leave it at that - deal?
    Of course.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I don't understand why you think that is relevant. In both cases it would be about a person objecting to obeying a law based on their theology. One law is a law requiring the employer to provide something the employer doesn't want to do. The other would be about the employer not wanting to employ the person at all. Why should one law be treated differently than another law, in this case?
    Because there are laws to stop people from discrimination in the workplace. It's also addressed in the 14th Amendment.

    There is no law that says a woman is entitled to free birth control courtesy of her employer. So there is no discrimination, and no laws are being broken.

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