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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, DD, access isn't limited. The women who want those 4 drugs and work at Hobby Lobby have the same access to those drugs that they had yesterday.
    Actually they don't.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Don't be such a drama queen....no one is claiming the "world has ended". Again, the ruling is not limited to those 4 forms of birth control.
    They haven't lost access to anything. Where in the ruling does it say a woman can no longer get birth control?

    I'm not a drama queen. You're claiming abortions will skyrocket, and now you're claiming that women lost access to birth control. Think about it. That's drama. Especially because neither statement is true.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Hobby Lobby and similar employer-owned businesses covered under this ruling probably account for less than one percent of the population.

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    Hi there Polgara, I'm not sure it's that small actually.

    Here's how the IRS defines "closely held corporation":

    Has more than 50% of the value of its outstanding stock owned (directly or indirectly) by 5 or fewer individuals at any time during the last half of the tax year; and
    Is not a personal service corporation.
    Basically, "closely held" is a term that covers as much as 90 percent (or more) of all businesses, according to a 2000 study.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually they don't.
    Show me where in the ruling it says women can no longer get birth control.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    How poor exactly are Hobby Lobby's employees?
    The ruling applies to ALL employers, not just Hobby Lobby. And the insurance coverage is for the employees of ALL employers and their dependents. So I don't know how poor are all the employees of all employers and all of those employees' dependents.

    But I'd assume the Hobby Lobby hourly workers and their dependents run the gamut from dirt poor to wealthy. What's your point?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As my response to rcart's posted links noted, HL has affiliates in China, but I've not seen anything indicating ownership. Secondly, the information linked seems to indicate that the employees in China fund healthcare through what is basically a payroll tax - the employer doesn't fund it. So in both cases, the argument about HL hypocrisy doesn't carry any water.
    As I said, I was accepting the notion that HL owned Chinese subsidiaries based on your seeming acceptance of that notion in your response to rcart. I didn't ever claim that they did, but just as you accepted it unchallenged in your response, so did I. My "narrative" was perfectly sound.

    As to the payroll tax issue: It seems to me that it is a direct payment to pay for their nationalized health insurance. Calling it a 'payroll tax' seems to me a bit convenient. But, that's fine, I doubt we will agree.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm sure they can, and along with that buy the predictably high failure rate of condoms in preventing pregnancy.

    LOL !

    You just literally made that up

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, DD, access isn't limited. The women who want those 4 drugs and work at Hobby Lobby have the same access to those drugs that they had yesterday.
    Actually, the Hobby Lobby women have less access than they did prior to ACA, because apparently Hobby Lobby didn't bother to check on what their previous plan covered and it covered two of the four.

    And access is limited. You can't argue that taking away funding for something health care related doesn't affect functional access. If I said, you CAN have a heart transplant, that access would not mean much of you didn't have the 50 or 100K. Same here, just on a different scale.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    By its nature it limits access. Again...it doesn't make it impossible to get, but it definitely limits access.
    Actually, what it does is put it back to where it always has been - how did the poor dears survive before this ruling?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Her dissent just pointed out the tortured reasoning of the majority. You should read it.
    Is it correct that this only affects the "morning after" pill, or is that : It seems that all the employees will still have employer-paid health care, so I call that a win, dollar-wise, against a few who will have to pay for their own birth-control pills. One of the big complaints about the ACA was the fact that men were required to pay for things like birth-control, that they never would have need to use, so this seems fair.

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