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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Did you read that Justice Ginsburg issued a fiery 35-page dissent? Liberals sure don't like losing - even when the ruling only affects maybe one percent of the population - do they? :
    Her dissent just pointed out the tortured reasoning of the majority. You should read it.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    1%? Really? Hobby Lobby employs that many women who will need an abortion? 1% of the population of the US? Somehow I doubt it is anywhere near that number.
    Hobby Lobby and similar employer-owned businesses covered under this ruling probably account for less than one percent of the population.

    Greetings, Maenad.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Here is the conversation from beginning to end (err, from end to beginning actually), from my perspective.



    And, I don't know what the hell you are talking about. My remarks are directed at your argument, in bold. If it isn't true that Hobby Lobby owns a subsidiary in China, then my remarks don't apply to anything (and really neither do yours). I am not asserting that they do. IF they do, THEN to avoid hypocrisy, they shouldn't.
    As my response to rcart's posted links noted, HL has affiliates in China, but I've not seen anything indicating ownership. Secondly, the information linked seems to indicate that the employees in China fund healthcare through what is basically a payroll tax - the employer doesn't fund it. So in both cases, the argument about HL hypocrisy doesn't carry any water.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not all all....but the ruling does limit access whether you like it or not. It doesn't make it impossible to get, but it certainly does limit access...that is a given.

    No, DD, access isn't limited. The women who want those 4 drugs and work at Hobby Lobby have the same access to those drugs that they had yesterday.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    What am I exaggerating?
    You're claiming the KKK is both a business and a religious institution. That seems a little over the top, but then I'm not an expert on the KKK
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's pretty amazing people don't recognize that poor people might actually have a hard time affording effective contraception, and that might be why poor women are more likely to have unintended pregnancies and have abortions than women in the middle class and above.
    Now the employees of Hobby Lobby are poor people? Come on, Jasper.

    They can still purchase birth control. Nobody is stopping them. In fact, their insurance gives them 16 covered choices.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Doesn't limit access one bit - it limits FREE access, but like the old saying "nothing worth having in life is free". The women affected get paid a salary for their work - must be full time, otherwise they wouldn't be covered - so presumably if they spend as much time planning out their budget as planning out their sexual partners for the month, they should do just fine.
    By its nature it limits access. Again...it doesn't make it impossible to get, but it definitely limits access.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Perhaps. For example, do KKK members who own businesses get to ignore non-discrimination laws because their white-supremacist beliefs are (genuinely, I might add) religiously held? It may be. And it may be that this is exactly how it should be. If we want to curb such religious freedom, perhaps we should have to amend The Constitution. We shall see.
    Non-discrimination laws and covering 4 methods of birth control in an insurance plan aren't even in the same hemisphere of discussion.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The case was all about those 4 drugs. The company offers 16 different contraceptions in their plan and will continue to do so.

    Do you think the world has ended because some employees of Hobby Lobby can't use their insurance to buy 4 forms of birth control?
    Don't be such a drama queen....no one is claiming the "world has ended". Again, the ruling is not limited to those 4 forms of birth control.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    By its nature it limits access. Again...it doesn't make it impossible to get, but it definitely limits access.
    How so? They never lost access to those 4 pills, unless they can't find a doctor to prescribe them.

    They have the same access they always did.

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