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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Did you read that Justice Ginsburg issued a fiery 35-page dissent? Liberals sure don't like losing - even when the ruling only affects maybe one percent of the population - do they? :

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's pretty amazing people don't recognize that poor people might actually have a hard time affording effective contraception, and that might be why poor women are more likely to have unintended pregnancies and have abortions than women in the middle class and above.
    How poor exactly are Hobby Lobby's employees?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Did you read that Justice Ginsburg issued a fiery 35-page dissent? Liberals sure don't like losing - even when the ruling only affects maybe one percent of the population - do they? :

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    1%? Really? Hobby Lobby employs that many women who will need an abortion? 1% of the population of the US? Somehow I doubt it is anywhere near that number.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Here is the conversation from beginning to end (err, from end to beginning actually), from my perspective.

    Quote Originally Posted by canadajohn View Post
    actually, you posted your original comments prior to the other poster's additional information, so your whole narrative above is just false.
    Quote Originally Posted by dezaad View Post
    i wasn't the one who made the claim. I thought you accepted that the claim was true based on your own knowledge, and i based my own acceptance of it on your acceptance of it. That is, your response had an implied stipulation that the claim was true, and my response followed on with the same implied stipulation. If you are now challenging whether or not it is true, and now basing your objection to the criticism of hobby lobby on that, then i will leave you to settle that matter with the original poster. If you do find out it is true, then my post here will again apply.
    Quote Originally Posted by canadajohn View Post
    you seem to be fully aware of business practice/law in china so it shouldn't be any bother for you to provide links to help the rest of us out. Specifically, i'd like some proof that hobby lobby actually owns business enterprises in china and specific proof that the chinese government requires them to provide the forms of birth control that hobby lobby actually sued the us government over.

    If you can't, i'll just assume that you're making stuff up.
    Quote Originally Posted by dezaad View Post
    c'mon. If they really believed that god does not want them to pay for contraception and abortion, they simply wouldn't own a business in china, period. Is it suddenly not sin for them to pay for abortion and contraception because they want to own a business in china and the law there requires businesses to pay for it? You really think that their theology would be consistent and permit this?
    Quote Originally Posted by canadajohn View Post
    i didn't realize hobby lobby had us constitutional rights that extended to china. Do you also believe that all other american companies who do business in china, the middle east, africa, etc. Should cease because the cultures and politics in those lands are contrary to the judeo-christian values that america was founded on?

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    in my opinion they just don't want to accrue cost.

    This is a portion of a statement that hobby lobby said:



    Don't get me wrong. I applaud this courageous statement for christianity.....if the company was actually living by it.

    Here is another part of their statement:



    Hmm. This is interesting considering that they import billions of dollars of products from china. I will take it a step further by adding that they own a company (hong kong connections, ltd.) in china. Since hobby lobby owns a business in china, that means they pay taxes to the chinese government. In fact, they pay the income tax for each employee by withholding the required percentage from the employee's gross pay. More importantly however, in this context, hobby lobby is also required by chinese law to contribute to each employee's state-mandated health insurance plan, in this case the urban employee basic medical insurance, to the tune of about 6% of the employee's pay.

    That insurance not only likely covers abortion , it also covers contraception, including the four types of contraception hobby lobby objects to in their lawsuit against the hhs. Iuds are the most popular form of birth control among married women in china. Among single women ages 20-29, the age group that accounts for the majority of abortions in china, the use of emergency contraception like plan b has increased steadily over the last decade.

    What all of this means is that hobby lobby does in china exactly what it refuses to do in the us, namely pay into a state-mandated health insurance plan that covers types of contraceptive methods to which they object on moral grounds.
    And, I don't know what the hell you are talking about. My remarks are directed at your argument, in bold. If it isn't true that Hobby Lobby owns a subsidiary in China, then my remarks don't apply to anything (and really neither do yours). I am not asserting that they do. IF they do, THEN to avoid hypocrisy, they shouldn't.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's pretty amazing people don't recognize that poor people might actually have a hard time affording effective contraception, and that might be why poor women are more likely to have unintended pregnancies and have abortions than women in the middle class and above.
    If one is to credit your comments as true, then the solution is for the federal government to fund a program of contraceptive distribution out of tax dollars and not force businesses to do the job for them.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Perhaps. For example, do KKK members who own businesses get to ignore non-discrimination laws because their white-supremacist beliefs are (genuinely, I might add) religiously held? It may be. And it may be that this is exactly how it should be. If we want to curb such religious freedom, perhaps we should have to amend The Constitution. We shall see.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    No hyperbole there. You'd think the Supreme Court just bolted locks on all abortion clinics throughout the US.

    The total weakness of your argument is demonstrated by the utter over the top exaggeration of your response.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Know a lot of KKK members do yah, now?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The ruling is not limited to the 4 drugs that they were opposed to. Have you read the holding?
    The most expensive morning after pill costs around $50, the least around $25. These costs are not prohibitive if the women are actually using regular contraception and only slip up once or twice, or their regular birth control stops working.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The ruling is not limited to the 4 drugs that they were opposed to. Have you read the holding?
    The case was all about those 4 drugs. The company offers 16 different contraceptions in their plan and will continue to do so.

    Do you think the world has ended because some employees of Hobby Lobby can't use their insurance to buy 4 forms of birth control?

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