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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I wasn't the one who made the claim. I thought you accepted that the claim was true based on your own knowledge, and I based my own acceptance of it on your acceptance of it. That is, your response had an implied stipulation that the claim was true, and my response followed on with the same implied stipulation. If you are now challenging whether or not it is true, and now basing your objection to the criticism of Hobby Lobby on that, then I will leave you to settle that matter with the original poster. If you do find out it is true, then my post here will again apply.
    Actually, you posted your original comments prior to the other poster's additional information, so your whole narrative above is just false.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Dezaad, you are absolutely correct. However, The SCOTUS has just went down a very dangerous road that will come back and bite them on the butt. This will fuel many organizations to hide behind their fake desires to uphold their religious beliefs.
    Perhaps. For example, do KKK members who own businesses get to ignore non-discrimination laws because their white-supremacist beliefs are (genuinely, I might add) religiously held? It may be. And it may be that this is exactly how it should be. If we want to curb such religious freedom, perhaps we should have to amend The Constitution. We shall see.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Does the ruling state that all employees of Hobby Lobby may not purchase a Box of Condoms on their way home for work ?
    Nobody made that claim. Trying sticking to the conversation.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Because American women are too stupid to purchase their own contraceptives?
    Not all all....but the ruling does limit access whether you like it or not. It doesn't make it impossible to get, but it certainly does limit access...that is a given.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Are we seeing all of this over a 5 or 10 dollar box of birth control pills? You would think the ruling today banned all birth control in the entire United States forever. It just said a family owned business for religious reasons can opt out of including contraceptives in their health insurance plans. Which by the way they, the family owned business is paying for.

    How many people does their ruling effect, perhaps one percent at the most. more like a tenth of one percent if that. So if you do not work for Hobby Lobby and maybe some other religious family owned business, this ruling has no effect on you. If you do work for Hobby Lobby and it is so important that birth control pills be part of the insurance packaged offered, then quit and go to another company that offers what you want. After all this is America and no one is forcing anyone to continue to work for Hobby Lobby if they do not want to.

    Dang reading some of these posts you would think the whole contraceptive industry was done away with.
    Did you read that Justice Ginsburg issued a fiery 35-page dissent? Liberals sure don't like losing - even when the ruling only affects maybe one percent of the population - do they? :

    Greetings, Pero.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Perhaps. For example, do KKK members who own businesses get to ignore non-discrimination laws because their white-supremacist beliefs are (genuinely, I might add) religiously held? It may be. And it may be that this is exactly how it should be. If we want to curb such religious freedom, perhaps we should have to amend The Constitution. We shall see.
    No hyperbole there. You'd think the Supreme Court just bolted locks on all abortion clinics throughout the US.

    The total weakness of your argument is demonstrated by the utter over the top exaggeration of your response.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good evening Pero - one of the funniest parts for me is that had this ruling gone the other way, Hobby Lobby and others like them might very well have just totally eliminated their funding of employer provided healthcare and simply paid the penalties, which are likely far less in total business cost. As a result of this ruling, many thousands of Hobby Lobby employees get to keep their healthcare plan - actually putting some truth behind Obama's words.
    yeah, I kind of suspected all along if the ruling went against Hobby Lobby their entire work force would be dropped onto the exchanges. Just paying the fine I think would be a lot cheaper. Here is what the law says.

    • The annual fee is $2,000 per employee if insurance isn't offered (the first 30 full-time employees are exempt).

    • If at least one full-time employee receives a premium tax credit because coverage is either unaffordable or does not cover 60 percent of total costs, the employer must pay the lesser of $3,000 for each of those employees receiving a credit or $750 for each of their full-time employees total.

    • The fee is a per month fee due annually on employer federal tax returns starting in 2015 for small businesses with 100 or more full-time equivalent employees(2016 for those with 50-99). So the per month fee is 1/12 of the $2,000 or $3,000 per employee.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Because American women are too stupid to purchase their own contraceptives?
    It's pretty amazing people don't recognize that poor people might actually have a hard time affording effective contraception, and that might be why poor women are more likely to have unintended pregnancies and have abortions than women in the middle class and above.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not all all....but the ruling does limit access whether you like it or not. It doesn't make it impossible to get, but it certainly does limit access...that is a given.
    Doesn't limit access one bit - it limits FREE access, but like the old saying "nothing worth having in life is free". The women affected get paid a salary for their work - must be full time, otherwise they wouldn't be covered - so presumably if they spend as much time planning out their budget as planning out their sexual partners for the month, they should do just fine.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good evening Pero - one of the funniest parts for me is that had this ruling gone the other way, Hobby Lobby and others like them might very well have just totally eliminated their funding of employer provided healthcare and simply paid the penalties, which are likely far less in total business cost. As a result of this ruling, many thousands of Hobby Lobby employees get to keep their healthcare plan - actually putting some truth behind Obama's words.
    Would that fall under "unintended consequences," even if it was accidental?

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