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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I think that is a bit of an exageration that Obamacare's legs are broken. We will be reading about court cases for different aspects of Obamacare for years.
    You're certainly free to have an opinion but I don't think it's an exaggeration at all.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    I sniger from my european thrown of condoms.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Nothing will get rid of Obamacare. But this decision certainly impedes it.
    I don't think it impedes it that much. Let's face it, in the gran scheme of things contraception wasn't going to break the bank. There are far more expensive parts of Obamacare that are not going to go away and this hardly impedes it in a significant way IMO.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Healthcare at this stage essentially just needs to be turned into public utility. The insurance companies are doing nothing to aid the system and just make it slower and more expensive. If we want true universal healthcare, it needs to circumvent the insurance companies all together. Public utility funded by taxes. We all pay, we all get access.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You're certainly free to have an opinion but I don't think it's an exaggeration at all.
    The ruling was deliberately made narrow.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I agree. This is a win for constitutional rights but not a breach in the hull of Obamacare.
    This is a decision I actually didn't expect. I was starting to think we were stepping backwards in the Constitutional protection of freedom of religious expression. I'm not religious, but many others are, and it was starting to trend against them.

    The upshot I see in all of this is that SCOUS ruled that HHS doesn't supercede the First Amendment.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Seems about right. Now waiting for the justification from both sides on their views of it. On the base, I think there is great concern on how far that religious freedom of a company can go. If there is a Jehova Witness run company, can they outlaw paying for certain procedures, etc. And does a company now have the right to not serve people based on religious holdings?
    No, the ruling specifically stated it does not protect discrimination disguised as religious belief.

    BURWELL v. HOBBY LOBBY STORES, INC. Syllabus
    Should not be understood to hold that all insurance mandates, e.g., for vaccinations or blood transfusions, must necessarily fall if they conflict with an employer’s religious beliefs. Nor does it provide a shield for employers who might cloak illegal discrimination as a religious practice. United States v. Lee, 455 U. S. 252, which up- held the payment of Social Security taxes despite an employer’s reli- gious objection, is not analogous. It turned primarily on the special problems associated with a national system of taxation; and if Lee were a RFRA case, the fundamental point would still be that there is no less restrictive alternative to the categorical requirement to pay taxes. Here, there is an alternative to the contraceptive mandate. Pp. 45–49
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    This is pretty much proof that Scalia is a partisan hack and has no interest in actual jurisprudence but is instead interested only in advancing the conservative movement of the moment.

    Scalia wrote the decision that said that an Oregon Law which allowed someone to be fired for Peyote, even if it was used for deeply held religious ceremonies. "To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself".

    In otherwords, Scalia believes deeply in Christian religious freedom, but other religions are just not welcome.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You're certainly free to have an opinion but I don't think it's an exaggeration at all.
    Contraception is such a narrow item, that didn't impact me either way. How exactly has the impact of this decision about Obamacare diminished it's impact on me?

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