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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Bull crap. They made their ruling while standing on partisan pulpits. Hence the usual 5-4 conservative/liberal split.
    I agree - You should question why the four liberal justices ruled according to their ideology and not the constitution they are tasked to uphold.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This is completely insane. Corporations should not get to pick and choose which parts of the law they want to follow. People don't get to do that. No amount of sincere (or feigned) belief entitles a person to special treatment under the law.

    actually in a lot of cases, they do

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    titled a common law model for religious exemptions

    there are many many cases where because of religion, exemptions have been granted

    it is not really that unusual
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sadly, this decision will probably result in an increase in abortions. Good job Christian lobby group!
    If true, why are you sad about that?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    I am for Christianity. But I can't stand when so called Christians hide behind the word of God to Shield their true motives.

    In this case Hobby Lobby is doing just that.
    I think you are very correct that the true motives are hidden. It is so odd that you mention it, because I just had that conversation in "real life" with someone a few hours ago. Nevertheless, the plausible explanation is all we have to go on, and despite what I judge to be their dishonesty, I have to go on the known facts. They are claiming to want this freedom according to their religious beliefs, and the claim must be protected. If their purported personal theology prevents them from paying for abortions, we have no way of proving that it doesn't. Therefore, we must protect their religious right not to be forced by the government to pay.

    That I (and apparently you) believe that this is a theology of convenience is not really relevant. While I sympathize with your assessment, I don't think there is anything to be done. As a consolation: Really, they could be telling the truth to themselves and us. We don't really know.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    With all due respect I have to disagree.


    The SCOTUS allowed Hobby Lobby to play the religion card in order to get out of paying for mandated item.
    No the SCOTUS ruled that the government overstepped it's bounds by forcing a person to violate their religious beliefs and practices something that is protected by the constitution. access to birth control is not a protection of the constitution.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    This was a narrow ruling that only affects certain businesses probably non-public corporations and it only applies to the birth control portion and no other medical coverage.

    The court stressed that its ruling applies only to corporations that are under the control of just a few people in which there is no essential difference between the business and its owners.

    under a law that bars the government from taking action in certain cases that "substantially burdens" freedom of religion. He noted that fines for one company could total $475 million per year if they did not comply with the ObamaCare rule.

    Alito clarified that the decision is limited to contraceptives under the health care law. "Our decision should not be understood to hold that an insurance-coverage mandate must necessarily fall if it conflicts with an employer's religious beliefs," Alito said

    this was a very narrow ruling.
    Link? Or do you possess some sort of ESP?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    No the SCOTUS ruled that the government overstepped it's bounds by forcing a person to violate their religious beliefs and practices something that is protected by the constitution. access to birth control is not a protection of the constitution.
    Neither is access to health care in general.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That doesn't change the fact that their lobbying will mean an increase in abortions as a result.
    So now every abortion is the doing of Hobby Lobby.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Actually the main parts of ACA aren't intact. For those who believe that others should pay for your health care, the most dangerous anti Obamacare ruler is Obama hisself.

    By delays, postponements, granting exemptions, playing favorites, he has set back Ocare by tears.
    Boo hoo?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I didn't realize Hobby Lobby had US constitutional rights that extended to China. Do you also believe that all other American companies who do business in China, the Middle East, Africa, etc. should cease because the cultures and politics in those lands are contrary to the Judeo-Christian values that America was founded on?
    C'mon. If they REALLY believed that god does not want them to pay for contraception and abortion, they simply wouldn't own a business in China, period. Is it suddenly not sin for them to pay for abortion and contraception because they want to own a business in China and the law there requires businesses to pay for it? You REALLY think that their theology would be consistent and permit this?
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