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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where does personal responsibility reside in your world. Why would anyone take a job with a company whose policies violate their own personal beliefs. It isn't their money invested in the company and if they want to start their own business then they should do it.
    Some people actually work because THEY NEED THE MONEY.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No, we are talking about Women which apparently are devoid of rights.
    I don't think free abortions are a constitutional right for anyone, let alone everyone but women. Your complaint about women's right to free abortions doesn't pass the sniff test.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No, we are talking about Women which apparently are devoid of rights.
    What women lost what rights?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Not wanting to pay for abortions is discrimination against women now?
    This was about contraception and a woman's health. Don't tell me you are on the contraception=abortion bandwagon too.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Some people actually work because THEY NEED THE MONEY.
    Apparently the govt's role is to provide that as well so why work when you can get over two years of unemployment benefits? I suggest you look at the paper's want ad section and see how many jobs are being advertised in your local community so don't tell me that a person has to take a job against their religious freedoms for that is nothing more than a diversion, distorting, and void of reality
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not ANY corporation, but certainly religion based ones. This decision by its face = less access to birth control for people who work for these corporations. HL may currently provide it....but this ruling certainly invites religion based companies to refuse to provide ANY....and don't think for a second that they aren't going to leap on this.
    It's no less access to birth control, it's at most reduced access to free birth control. It absolutely amazes me that the false equivalency of "if you don't buy me X, then you are denying me X and you are anti-group-I-belong" gets any traction, but apparently this childish strategy works even as an adult.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    This was about contraception and a woman's health. Don't tell me you are on the contraception=abortion bandwagon too.
    Do you understand what this case was about? It appears not from all of your posts.

    Whose health is in jeopardy?

    I don't know what the contraception=abortion bandwagon is.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What women lost what rights?
    Any woman who works at Hobby Lobby became a second class citizen who's legal right to free contraception was taken away. Those pills are not only to prevent pregnancy either.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No, we are talking about Women which apparently are devoid of rights.
    The case stated that if the government wanted to require contraceptives to be paid for by your employer, then they needed to make it non-burdensome. By having penalties for non-compliance, they created a burden.

    Expect a proposed bill creating a federal program to pay for contraceptives if your employer does not cover it any day now.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I also loathe organized religions.

    But the owners of this company have religious beliefs that are protected by the Constitution, and since SCOTUS is tasked with upholding the Constitution, they made the right decision here. The owners of HL shouldn't be forced to give up their religious beliefs because of government any more than government should be forced to hold and/or agree with their religious beliefs.

    How does this influence your children?
    I have two daughters, one is 17, the other 21. Depends on where they move to. Right now it won't since they both reside in good sized cities that will provide them options. But the future for them is obviously an unknown.

    There are two things that piss me off about this. Limiting distribution of vital medical help. And the very idea that religion is impacting someone's ability to access what they need. And then there's the benefits. Both are or will likely be in health care. The Catholic church runs tons of hospitals...so...

    I disagree with the ruling. The religious folks are inflicting their values on others.
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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    . Losing insurance does not mean losing healthcare. .

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