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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I reject Christianity, and despise anti-abortionists. However, with regard to "closely held" companies like Hobby Lobby, which this ruling seems to be limited to, I agree with this decision. If it had been a corporation, (traded on a stock exchange), I would not support the decision.
    I agree with this. They do have to draw a line somewhere, and opening it up to anyone who works as an executive at any open corporation anywhere would be just too damn messy.

    I don't practice any religion either, and neither does Mr. Borrachos (who was raised in an uber-Catholic house - my parents were just disinterested in religion). My 3 kids are all non-religious, weren't even baptised or any of that. Gives my evil mother in law fits to this day. Oh well, lady!

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I must be running in the wrong circles. I've never known anyone one that would just not buy birth control if it wasn't free. I've never known anyone that even tried to get it for free.
    I always looked at pregnancy prevention the same way I looked at sunburn protection or tooth decay prevention - I had to take care of it myself, oh and yes, I had to pay for it. I guess the impact of Sandra Fluke was bigger than we expected.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....in my experience, Liberals are much more concerned about both the intended and unintended consequences than conservatives, who only seem to care how it affects them personally.
    The only thing liberals care about is advancing their left wing view of the world.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Well, I got one right - in favour of HL and not unanimous at all.

    I would say, from a purely political perspective, I'm not surprised by the ruling and I'm not surprised that Chief Justice Roberts sided with the majority - he was crucified - pun intended - for his decision in the original ACA case and rightly so, so this was simply an attempt to slightly close the barn door after most of the horses have left the building.

    It is also, as I thought, a slap at the Administration's tendency to over reach and legislate from the Oval Office.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Nice try...but fail. The fact of the matter is that people who work for religion based companies are going to see less access to contraceptives as a result of this decision. The rest that follows is just simple common sense. Less access to contraceptives always = an increase in unwanted pregnancies = more abortion. They are going to just have to live with the consequences of their actions. I wonder how they feel about the blood that they will have on their hands?
    Blood on their hands? You are making zero sense.

    This is all coming from emotion and not reality. This won't increase abortions. There isn't less access to contraceptives. You can get them from any doctor. Hobby Lobby didn't want to pay for 4 specific contraceptives, and that was the entire case.

    By the way, you can only have blood on your hands when discussing abortion if you believe abortion is murder. Do you?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    In your opinion what is Hobby Lobby "true motive?
    In my opinion they just don't want to accrue cost.

    This is a portion of a statement that Hobby Lobby Said:

    We're Christians, and we run our business on Christian principles. I've always said that the first two goals of our business are (1) to run our business in harmony with God's laws, and (2) to focus on people more than money.
    Don't get me wrong. I applaud this courageous statement for Christianity.....If the company was actually living by it.

    Here is another part of their statement:

    Being Christians, we don't pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don't cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill.
    Hmm. This is interesting considering that they Import billions of dollars of products from China. I will take it a step further by adding that they own a company (Hong Kong Connections, Ltd.) in China. Since Hobby Lobby owns a business in China, that means they pay taxes to the Chinese government. In fact, they pay the income tax for each employee by withholding the required percentage from the employee's gross pay. More importantly however, in this context, Hobby Lobby is also required by Chinese law to contribute to each employee's state-mandated health insurance plan, in this case the Urban Employee Basic Medical Insurance, to the tune of about 6% of the employee's pay.

    That insurance not only likely covers abortion , it also covers contraception, including the four types of contraception Hobby Lobby objects to in their lawsuit against the HHS. IUDs are the most popular form of birth control among married women in China. Among single women ages 20-29, the age group that accounts for the majority of abortions in China, the use of emergency contraception like Plan B has increased steadily over the last decade.

    What all of this means is that Hobby Lobby does in China exactly what it refuses to do in the US, namely pay into a state-mandated health insurance plan that covers types of contraceptive methods to which they object on moral grounds.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That would have been even a sweeter rejection by the courts. And this is what Democrats get for shoving legislation down Americas throats. Obamacare was held up by the SCOTUS only to have it's legs broken. Limp baby limp!
    I don't know how you would equate the contraception mandate as a "leg" of ACA. Employer mandate is a leg...contraception is a boob job.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Ok, what SCOTUS has ruled is that a company does not have to pay for birth control as part of their healthcare plan if it violates the religious beliefs of the company. It seems to me that only a very small number of companies would choose to not offer birth control coverage as its much cheaper to pay for contraception than to pay for child birth.

    Just the same, being you can get a prescription for the pill as a generic at Target for 4 dollars, what is the big deal? It is cheaper to pay for the pill out of pocket than to pay for the prescription copay on most plans anyway.
    Keep in mind that the HL insurance plan includes 16 kinds of birth control. It was 4 specific forms of birth control that can cause the fetus to abort that they object to.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I agree with this. They do have to draw a line somewhere, and opening it up to anyone who works as an executive at any open corporation anywhere would be just too damn messy.

    I don't practice any religion either, and neither does Mr. Borrachos (who was raised in an uber-Catholic house - my parents were just disinterested in religion). My 3 kids are all non-religious, weren't even baptised or any of that. Gives my evil mother in law fits to this day. Oh well, lady!
    Why do we have to draw a line somewhere?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    In my opinion they just don't want to accrue cost.

    This is a portion of a statement that Hobby Lobby Said:



    Don't get me wrong. I applaud this courageous statement for Christianity.....If the company was actually living by it.

    Here is another part of their statement:



    Hmm. This is interesting considering that they Import billions of dollars of products from China. I will take it a step further by adding that they own a company (Hong Kong Connections, Ltd.) in China. Since Hobby Lobby owns a business in China, that means they pay taxes to the Chinese government. In fact, they pay the income tax for each employee by withholding the required percentage from the employee's gross pay. More importantly however, in this context, Hobby Lobby is also required by Chinese law to contribute to each employee's state-mandated health insurance plan, in this case the Urban Employee Basic Medical Insurance, to the tune of about 6% of the employee's pay.

    That insurance not only likely covers abortion , it also covers contraception, including the four types of contraception Hobby Lobby objects to in their lawsuit against the HHS. IUDs are the most popular form of birth control among married women in China. Among single women ages 20-29, the age group that accounts for the majority of abortions in China, the use of emergency contraception like Plan B has increased steadily over the last decade.

    What all of this means is that Hobby Lobby does in China exactly what it refuses to do in the US, namely pay into a state-mandated health insurance plan that covers types of contraceptive methods to which they object on moral grounds.
    I didn't realize Hobby Lobby had US constitutional rights that extended to China. Do you also believe that all other American companies who do business in China, the Middle East, Africa, etc. should cease because the cultures and politics in those lands are contrary to the Judeo-Christian values that America was founded on?
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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