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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So did Roe v. Wade.

    I doubt you'd suggest this argument would be a legitimate one against Roe v. Wade because you feel that Roe v. Wade was protecting ones essential liberty in regards to the right to privacy, and thus even though it would result in "an increase in abortions" that is ENTIRELY okay to you.

    Well...I'm sure to many that even if your assumption is the case (Which is really speculative in nature as it's requiring a lot of assumptive leaps to reach as opposed to Roe v. Wade which was DIRECTLY about abortion), that doesn't preclude that some may feel that ones essentially liberty in regards to the right to religious freedom must not be ignored simply because of the possible poor choices (in those peoples opinions) other people can make.

    You don't support violating the constitution because the side effects of that makes you feel sad. Well, most people don't...perhaps you do.
    You are absolutely correct...and its not a matter of using as an argument for/against. Its simply just stating the facts. Roe v. Wade absolutely resulted in an increase in abortions the same as this latest decision will result in an increase in abortions.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    You are aware that this case was only about the morning after pill and not regular oral contraception aren't you?

    Oh wait your profile says liberal so it's asking way too much for you to be aware of and understand the facts of this case.

    Nevermind.
    If you were following along, you would see that this had already been addressed. The reality is that despite the specific facts of this case, the ruling has broader implications.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I never said I even supported the mandate. Just pointing out that he endorsed it. What good is a conservative think tank if it doesn't produce conservative ideas?







    Edit: I would just like to point out that the video and the clip do not necessarily go together. The original 'clip' was an audio of Gingrich supporting the federal mandate (but was too clunky to post). The clip I used was a substite I found on Youtube which said the same thing.
    Interesting, did you even listen to the clip? No where did he promote national healthcare but rather a voucher system allowing individuals to purchase insurance within their state. How does Obamacare do that? Newt did not say what you want to believe

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Perhaps. Or maybe if more people took the stand that Hobby Lobby does, abortion would again become something mostly necessary and rare. Do you really think responsible people are going to have abortions because somebody doesn't provide them with free contraceptives? Millions and millions of us lived, had kids, and dealt with life before government demanded that insurance companies provide contraceptives. We bought our own contraceptives out of our own pockets and thought nothing of it.

    Do you think irresponsible people are going to behave differently or more responsibly just because Hobby Lobby pays for four additional contraceptives in addition to the dozens they don't object to?

    I want to SCREAM when I hear people think that people have no responsibility for their choices and behavior if government doesn't provide all they need to be responsible.
    Your arguments don't address the point. It has nothing to do with responsible v. irresponsible or what people did in the past. I agree that people should have responsibility for their choices and behavior. However, it does not change the bottom line that limiting access to contraceptives will result in an increase in unwanted pregnancies....that is just stating the obvious. While you and I may not like it....this will in turn lead to increased numbers of abortions. That is just the reality.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There is nor will there be blood on their hands. People get to make their own decisions still ... if there's blood on anyone's hands it's those who will agree to have abortions. Playing the victim card, so passe.
    The reality is that there is blood on both. There are direct and indirect, intended and unintended consequences of this decision....and all parties are going to have to accept it and live with it. Thats just life.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So did Roe v. Wade.

    I doubt you'd suggest this argument would be a legitimate one against Roe v. Wade because you feel that Roe v. Wade was protecting ones essential liberty in regards to the right to privacy, and thus even though it would result in "an increase in abortions" that is ENTIRELY okay to you.

    Well...I'm sure to many that even if your assumption is the case (Which is really speculative in nature as it's requiring a lot of assumptive leaps to reach as opposed to Roe v. Wade which was DIRECTLY about abortion), that doesn't preclude that some may feel that ones essentially liberty in regards to the right to religious freedom must not be ignored simply because of the possible poor choices (in those peoples opinions) other people can make.

    You don't support violating the constitution because the side effects of that makes you feel sad. Well, most people don't...perhaps you do.
    BTW...Zyph....I'm not arguing the Constitutionality of the decision and whether I think it was a good/bad decision, I honestly haven't really thought much about the merits of the decision. My focus this morning has been more on the intended vs. unintended consequences of the decision.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Interesting, did you even listen to the clip? No where did he promote national healthcare but rather a voucher system allowing individuals to purchase insurance within their state. How does Obamacare do that? Newt did not say what you want to believe
    I did watch it, but if that's not clear, here's a better one.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    BTW...Zyph....I'm not arguing the Constitutionality of the decision and whether I think it was a good/bad decision, I honestly haven't really thought much about the merits of the decision. My focus this morning has been more on the intended vs. unintended consequences of the decision.
    Since when are liberals ever concerned with "unintended consequences" of actions. I guess when others act and it could affect them they give a damn but when it's liberals acting in their oh so benevolent way to benefit all of us then it's full steam ahead and unintended consequences be damned.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Don't flatter yourself. That post wasn't about, nor do I have any interest in, providing religious information to you. Not in the slightest. Try and read for understanding.
    Oh I understand plenty. I'm still recovering.
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    I'm not even religious, I just despise people like you who worship the federal government.
    LOLOLOL...Really, Oh my goodness. DB20 doesn't like me because I don't want religion in the government or the schools. Oh my, my life will never be complete.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    . Losing insurance does not mean losing healthcare. .

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