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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Obviously you don't understand what a single payer system is. It is all about where the money comes from and in both the VA and Medicare it comes from the Federal Govt. after taking it from people who pay taxes. The govt. then sets the rates and that destroys incentive as well as drives doctors out of the business meaning there will be less choices. Medicare has driven doctors out of the system and will do the same thing with a single payer system for healthcare. Liberals always believe the opposite and when their beliefs are proven wrong they are already on to something else never admitting they were wrong.
    Except that hasn't really proven to be the case in countries with a single payer system.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Except that hasn't really proven to be the case in countries with a single payer system.
    This is what is happening in countries with single payer systems

    The Ugly Realities Of Socialized Medicine Are Not Going Away - Forbes

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    This is what is happening in countries with single payer systemsThe Ugly Realities Of Socialized Medicine Are Not Going Away - Forbes
    LOL....Sally Pipes? Seriously? You try to base your argument on an op-ed piece by a woman who has made a career out of selling books pushing a political agenda. Why am I not surprized. Too funny.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    How is that "dodging the question"? I hear similar complaints all the time. My next door neighbor cries to me all the time about "Why am I paying to have my insurance cover pediatric dental? I don't even have any kids". My response to her is "Why does my insurance cover gynacological exams?" The point being....the insurance industry is set up to cover things that we may not necessarily want or care about....thats just the way the system operates and what it is based on.
    Unless you can opt out...like Hobby Lobby can.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    How is that "dodging the question"? I hear similar complaints all the time. My next door neighbor cries to me all the time about "Why am I paying to have my insurance cover pediatric dental? I don't even have any kids". My response to her is "Why does my insurance cover gynacological exams?" The point being....the insurance industry is set up to cover things that we may not necessarily want or care about....thats just the way the system operates and what it is based on.
    more than likely you have coverage through your company and your company offers an all inclusive plan.
    if you were to get an individual policy before obamacare then you could opt out of gynacological exams and pediatric dental etc ...

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Turned 65 yet? Cannot wait for that to happen and you get forced onto Medicare. Great program, you are going to love it, LOL.

    VA system is a single payer system and we all can see how well the Federal Govt. does in administering anything. Give the Vets a Voucher and let them go wherever they want. What is it about liberalism that believes a Federal Govt. that has created a 17.5 trillion dollar debt, created a 3.9 trillion dollar Federal Govt. and has over 100 million Americans dependent on that govt. could administer a single payer system any better than the private sector can by giving people tax credits to buy their own insurance?
    Sheesh, those are versions of a single payer system.

    And the 'tax credit' idea is OK as far as it goes, it is just one possible form of SINGLE PAYER, but the problem is I've got a pre-existing condition and so a tax credit of the standard amount means I'm SOL because insurers would either deny me coverage or charge me about triple at least the standard rate. Same with anyone that hasn't had perfect health. So those that need care the most can least afford to buy insurance with that credit.

    I'll quit, but this is the problem with right wing 'solutions' - they sound easy, till you scratch one millimeter below the surface, then the obvious problems arise. Which is, of course, why most countries have single payer, community rating (i.e. not pre-existing conditions), which means a mandate, etc.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Unless you can opt out...like Hobby Lobby can.

    That was kinda the whole point of the case and the dissent. The point of the dissent being, knowing how our insurance industry operates, why should a religion owned company be allowed to opt out based on their religious views.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    more than likely you have coverage through your company and your company offers an all inclusive plan.
    if you were to get an individual policy before obamacare then you could opt out of gynacological exams and pediatric dental etc ...
    I'm not so sure that it accurate. The entire insurance industry is based on the idea that people pay into a system and aren't likely to use the services. If people only opt in for the services that they use it wouldn't make sense for the insurance companies.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It allows for them to exlcude from coverage ANY contraceptive coverage which they deem morally offensive.
    From my understanding, prior to the ACA Hobby Lobby could have offered insurance policies that excluded ANY contraceptive coverage they deemed morally offensive as well. Which I think is the point...that this ruling isn't magically giving hobby lobby an ability it never had before, but rather giving it the ability it had prior toe thACA.

    I could have phrased it better and was not entirely clear.
    Thanks for the clarification in this post and the acknowledgement

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm not so sure that it accurate. The entire insurance industry is based on the idea that people pay into a system and aren't likely to use the services. If people only opt in for the services that they use it wouldn't make sense for the insurance companies.
    umm yes that is exactly correct.

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