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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Anyone can be replaced at anytime. I am thankful to get a paycheck and benefits. The only reason business owners hire people is because it's work the owners can't or won't do themselves. Employees to them are a necessary evil. If they could fire all their employees and not drop a dime they would.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's like saying we should be "thankful" to get a paycheck. Sheesh, employers should be "thankful" for workers who do their job for less pay than the value they create, enabling employers to make far more in profits than they could on their own labor alone. It IS a two way street.
    Anyone can be replaced at anytime. I am thankful to get a paycheck and benefits. The only reason business owners hire people is because it's work the owners can't or won't do themselves. Employees to them are a necessary evil. If they could fire all their employees and not drop a dime they would.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Good question for someone who claims it is a hardship to drive an hour or so to get contraception free at a planned parenthood facility. Wonder when she was in Aruba if she found any evidence showing where Natalee Holloway is? I realize that it is a huge island bigger than the United States but with their excellent healthcare system I am sure that their police and investigative services certainly match that healthcare quality and they have some current information on her.
    Do you have a hard time understanding the statement "anecdotes =/= evidence"? You know I said that twice, right, directly responding to you?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by avery45 View Post
    Anyone can be replaced at anytime. I am thankful to get a paycheck and benefits. The only reason business owners hire people is because it's work the owners can't or won't do themselves. Employees to them are a necessary evil. If they could fire all their employees and not drop a dime they would.
    That's kind of the point, though. They need employees as much as employees need employers - it is a two way street.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Tell me how wonderful China and India's healthcare system is and how it should be adopted in the US. Please... I'm all tingling with anticipation.
    Well, since I said looking ONLY at China or India for evidence about healthcare systems would be, and I'll quote myself, "mindbogglingly irrational," I'm not sure why I'd care to go into their healthcare systems, unless I feel like wasting time in a 'mindbogglingly irrational' exercise, which I do not.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's kind of the point, though. They need employees as much as employees need employers - it is a two way street.
    And they can be replaced by someone who will take lower pay with minimal benefits (until recently they would have taken it with no benefits). So crying about not getting a specific contraception is being spoiled.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Do you have a hard time understanding the statement "anecdotes =/= evidence"? You know I said that twice, right, directly responding to you?
    Understand exactly. anecdotes trump reality and small countries trump a country the size of ours especially when the reporting for those countries cannot be verified or assured that the same measurements are occurring. Sounds like liberal logic to me and yet you don't call yourself a liberal. What? Afraid to admit who you are?


    I am still trying to find out why Europeans come to the United States for major surgery with such a good healthcare system in their country? Guess it could be that they were here on vacation only to have heart problems and were able to schedule those procedures immediately while here on vacation.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I guess choice is only an issue with people like you when it comes to birth control and abortion.
    This is why you can't have a productive debate with many conservatives. I say, "I'm not in favor of a one size fits all system" then you go off and assert that's what I'm promoting, ignoring just the obvious evidence that not even the ACA is a 'one size fits all' system. I LOVE having 6 PRIVATE regional hospitals, 1,000s of PRIVATE physicians, and nothing I've said suggests we change any of that.

    Love how you think having 25% uninsured in TX is an indictment but of course you choose not to recognize how many of those people are uninsured because of CHOICE. You see TX has many options available for low income people most of whom simply refuse to sign up for Medicaid or the various TX programs available to them. Now of course if personnel from those programs would only make house calls, would only guide the hands of individuals to sign up, and then follow up over and over again to make sure they understand the program, they could get those numbers down significantly.
    How many "choose" not to have healthcare coverage? You have any data? This should be great.

    Single payer system is Utopia. Look how well it is working at the VA and of course that great FDR program Medicare. Wow, incredible results from both that must make liberals very happy since liberals apparently have such low expectations.
    First, the VA isn't 'single payer.' And I guess like Ockham you want to remain blissfully ignorant of the rest of the world's results.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, since I said looking ONLY at China or India for evidence about healthcare systems would be, and I'll quote myself, "mindbogglingly irrational," I'm not sure why I'd care to go into their healthcare systems, unless I feel like wasting time in a 'mindbogglingly irrational' exercise, which I do not.
    So the reality then, is that no country the size of the US or larger has one of the "best ones" and it's smaller country's which look more like a state in the US. Comparing a country that is one of the "best ones" with a state in the US is probably a fair comparison, but using it as a gauge and example to the entire US is just as "mindbogglingly irrational".
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Understand exactly. anecdotes trump reality and small countries trump a country the size of ours especially when the reporting for those countries cannot be verified or assured that the same measurements are occurring. Sounds like liberal logic to me and yet you don't call yourself a liberal. What? Afraid to admit who you are?
    I don't even know what that means. Anecdotes trump reality? Are you saying that or are you laughably accusing me of asserting that?

    And be specific about those "small countries." Which ones are we talking about? The 80 million in Germany? The 70 million in France? The 800 million collectively in Europe? The 125 million in Japan?

    I am still trying to find out why Europeans come to the United States for major surgery with such a good healthcare system in their country? Guess it could be that they were here on vacation only to have heart problems and were able to schedule those procedures immediately while here on vacation.
    How many "Europeans" come to the U.S. for major surgery per year? There are roughly 800 million living in Europe, so maybe we can compare the number of them to their population and see how many have to abandon their own system to come here for care. The numbers I've found put the total traveling here from ALL countries at less than 100k. If they're ALL from Europe (not true at all, but we can pretend) about 99.9% of Europeans get their care in...Europe, at half the cost, excellent results, universal care, etc.

    Furthermore, about 1 million Americans travel TO other countries, about 10 times the number who travel HERE for care, so the flow is exactly opposite of what you're asserting.

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