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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I didn't say it had anything to do with you personally, but you asked if there was ever such disrespect for a SCOTUS judge and the answer is YES there was. It was against Roberts after his decision and it came from right leaning members.
    Yes because that ruling gave government way more power than it should have. it basically said that the government has the right to force someone into a commerce transaction as long as they tax you for it.

    which the government should have no such power at all.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Sure they do. Anytime they want to carve their own laws out of whole cloth.

    RFRA, is a 1993 United States federal law aimed at preventing laws that substantially burden a person's free exercise of their religion.

    The ACA in no way substantially burdened hobby lobby's executives the free exercise of their religion. If anything, them imposing their religion on their employees is the restrictive force here. The bible says nothing about contraception and in fact, it gives instructions on how to give an abortion when the wife cheats on her husband.

    These people are making their religion up as they go and trying to bend laws to them to be applied differently than to everyone else.
    They didn't carve out their own law please show that they did.

    Yes the ACA would have by not wanting to provide those 4 contraceptives HL would have been fined millions of dollars. that was a substantially burdened HL. please read the majority opinion.

    They are not imposing their religion on their employee in fact this ruling will have 0 impact on their employee's. HL covers 16/20 birth control methods. this ruling does not stop their employee's from getting the other 4 of their own free will. all this ruling says is that the government can't force HL to provide those contraceptives.

    I don't see how a cheating husband applies in this case strawman.
    prove they are making it up. you can call them a liar but that isn't much proof.

    people act like this bans all forms of birth control from women and it doesn't. women still have access to birth control and the agencies that had birth control in their insurance plans will still have it and the places that don't still won't.

    this will have 0 effect on women having access to birth control.
    anything else is a strawman argument and a distortion of the ruling that was made.

    what it did do was put a check into government power of what it can do and that is always a positive.

    the SCOTUS has been spot on these past few rulings.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    HAve we become an nation of the spoiled? We should be thankful a third party is willing to pay for anything (healthcare, 401K, and many other benefits)

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by avery45 View Post
    HAve we become an nation of the spoiled? We should be thankful a third party is willing to pay for anything (healthcare, 401K, and many other benefits)
    yep pretty much.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by avery45 View Post
    HAve we become an nation of the spoiled? We should be thankful a third party is willing to pay for anything (healthcare, 401K, and many other benefits)
    Yes. And going down this progressive path will only make it worse.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    But if that's straight forward then "Christian" corporations will have a competitive advantage over corporations with other religious beliefs. These corporations will have a lower labor cost and we will have to pick up the tab. That certainly seems like a clear violation of the establishment clause.
    Has anyone tried to sue the government over the RFRA being unconstitutional on the basis of violating the establishment clause?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    so you are making an assumption that you cannot backup thanks for admitting it conversation over.
    Not at all. Do you have any idea how the Supreme Court operates? Do you understand how jurisprudence works? If so, you wouldn't make such a statement. Try reading a little on Conlaw....
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not at all. Do you have any idea how the Supreme Court operates? Do you understand how jurisprudence works? If so, you wouldn't make such a statement. Try reading a little on Conlaw....
    there is no way to expound on their ruling just like the muhammad ali case this is a pretty simple ruling and straight to the point.
    only someone taking a broad scope and really liberal ruling would extend it any further than what it went.

    please read the majority ruling in fact i posted it for you and you ignored it.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
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    Your post was filled with insults against the judges..."idiot boy Scalia"? "Conservative morons"?

    I challenge you to find one post from me on this thread or any other that disrespects the SCOTUS jurists in that way. Your post was a personal attack on the judges. Show your expertise in the Constitution, or be prepared to have your posts called out as nothing but partisan hackery


    Another lie from you. I asked him to find one post from me disrespecting any SCOTUS judge. I did not ask for examples of posts made by anyone else.

    Stop making up things please.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yes, for various reasons I have become discouraged. The left so controls the mainstream media, education, and government that it is almost impossible to interject truth into the mix anymore. I keep hoping that there are still enough liberty loving Americans left to band together and turn it around, but any group that tries will be so quickly attacked and demonized that it appears to be a liability very quickly to all but the most committed to principle and core values. I honestly do believe this is the last generation with any hope to do so, and I fear it may be too late for us.

    I can't imagine, even 20 years ago, there being the slightest question about Hobby Lobby having the right to select whatever insurance policy or coverage it wanted to provide for its employees or whether it had right to choose whether to provide insurance coverage at all. And now there is a great uproar over its refusal to furnish morning after pills? It is simply mind boggling.
    We are totally in sync, my friend.
    I've said the same things before right here.

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