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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I thought you were playing thread nazi to keep this on the topic of the ruling... so why did you all of a sudden make this post about me personally?

    btw... you were the first one in this thread to declare what is and isn't constitutional about this ruling. This is a debate forum. I'm putting my 2 cents in here just like you. Are you expecting me to be sorry that you don't like me making points you don't agree with?
    Your post was filled with insults against the judges..."idiot boy Scalia"? "Conservative morons"?

    I challenge you to find one post from me on this thread or any other that disrespects the SCOTUS jurists in that way. Your post was a personal attack on the judges. Show your expertise in the Constitution, or be prepared to have your posts called out as nothing but partisan hackery.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Do you just parrot every word that you are fed (in this case, by Ginsburg, who was for the RFRA before she was against it)?
    I just read something related tot his.. I think it's sums it up nicely:

    Lena Dunham's tweet:
    Women's access to birth control should not be denied because of their employer's religious beliefs.
    This is true, in theory. It’s also irrelevant, because that’s not what just happened.
    Lena Dunham is very stupid, but perhaps this analogy might find its way through that geologically thick skull:


    Read more: Finally: Lena Dunham Expresses Opinion On Hobby Lobby Decision | The Daily Caller
    More at the link.. Hard to copy and it's a short read.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I just read something related tot his.. I think it's sums it up nicely:



    More at the link.. Hard to copy and it's a short read.
    I'm kind of hungry for lunch, but my employer doesn't buy my lunch for me. It gives me cash to buy food. Which means I'm going to starve.

    Sheer genius!

    Who is that naked person who thankfully is pixeled out in that picture??

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm kind of hungry for lunch, but my employer doesn't buy my lunch for me. It gives me cash to buy food. Which means I'm going to starve.

    Sheer genius!

    Who is that naked person who thankfully is pixeled out in that picture??
    Lena Dunham. She has a show on Showtime (I think it was) called "Girls". Sadly she's not pixelated in the show, but it is good, even though it certainly is written by a lefty (her).

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Your post was filled with insults against the judges..."idiot boy Scalia"? "Conservative morons"?

    I challenge you to find one post from me on this thread or any other that disrespects the SCOTUS jurists in that way. Your post was a personal attack on the judges. Show your expertise in the Constitution, or be prepared to have your posts called out as nothing but partisan hackery.
    You obviously never read the posts from conservatives on Roberts decision after deciding WITH the ACA right?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Oddly, I don't find anything similar in the writings of our great jurists. I think you have an obligation to publish your insight.
    Here's one from Thomas Jefferson as he advocated for rewriting the constitution every 20 years:

    "I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

    Here's a few for Hobby Lobby...

    “The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
    ~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

    “If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
    ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

    “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.”
    ~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, 1802

    As far as obvious fact... the people elect the government officials other than the federal judiciary which is appointed by the officials elected by the people. We ultimately hold the reigns.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Because I was responding to your post saying how stupid the conservative judges are. Since you said it, I'd like to see you share your expert opinion on it. Can you?
    I have been. You are seeking credentials as a personal dig and not to engage in debate. I'm bringing every bit of my Georgia public school education to this thread. Good enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos
    I don't call any SCOTUS judge any name, whether I agree with the person or not. I respect the bench more than I respect the politicians who have no interest in us. I respect the Constitution. So do those 5 conservative judges.

    Knock off the thread Nazi comments. There are 2 moderator warnings about comments like that,
    You are not walking on higher ground in this thread. When quoting me, you constantly post about me and not the topic while blaming me for not being on topic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Here's one from Thomas Jefferson as he advocated for rewriting the constitution every 20 years:

    "I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

    Here's one for Hobby Lobby...

    “If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
    ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

    As far as obvious fact... the people elect the government officials other than the federal judiciary which is appointed by the officials elected by the people. We ultimately hold the reigns.
    Usage note: I assume "reins" was intended, although the irony of "reigns" is not lost on me.
    Beyond that, the passages you cite serve just as well to defend the Hobby Lobby decision as to attack it. And they do nothing to support your unique view of the place of the judiciary.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I have been. You are seeking credentials as a personal dig and not to engage in debate. I'm bringing every bit of my Georgia public school education to this thread. Good enough?



    You are not walking on higher ground in this thread. When quoting me, you constantly post about me and not the topic while blaming me for not being on topic.
    So you aren't a lawyer, you aren't a judge, you have no training or education on the subject, but you go ahead and lob personal attacks on the judges who you disagree with?

    Let me know when you can be serious and have an honest discussion. I have no interest in showing disrespect to the judges on any side.

    Good night.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Your post was filled with insults against the judges..."idiot boy Scalia"? "Conservative morons"?

    I challenge you to find one post from me on this thread or any other that disrespects the SCOTUS jurists in that way. Your post was a personal attack on the judges. Show your expertise in the Constitution, or be prepared to have your posts called out as nothing but partisan hackery.
    Have I insulted any other poster on this forum? No?

    I believe I do reserve the right to voice my opinion on what I think of public figures in this forum... or do I not?

    Now, once again... is the topic me or what?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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