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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I spoke the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God. Too bad you can't say the same.
    That statement would cause you to be classified as perjury but then again since it is about sex it really doesn't matter does it? The Bill Clinton defense

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, the entitlement mentality and a hollowed out industrial core, etc. If you can't even acknowledge the huge structural issue, there isn't a whole lot of point discussing the big picture. When good jobs open up, they get filled, and could get filled many times over. It's hard when the best work has mostly disappeared and we have entire towns just hollowed out with nothing coming in to replace them except big box stores filled with stuff made overseas in lowest common denominator locations.



    Not any buggy whip makers here either. Also don't have a lot of oil, though, that could be part of it. And not everyone wants to be CEO. In the local car plants, they've got thousands of people dying to take one of the decent jobs.



    Well, again, that and no good jobs because we're competing with $1 an hour....



    No need to read them, I wrote them. I have never expressed any desire or support for 'equal outcomes' or anything remotely close to that. Getting decent healthcare to more Americans isn't hoping for equal outcomes. That's moving the bottom rung of the ladder a few inches off the floor, so Remote Area Medical doesn't have a healthcare event in a big field in the mountains and have people, many of them very hard working, lining up at 1am the night before to get a tooth pulled or basic damn healthcare needs taken care of. That's NOT 'equal outcomes.' Sorry.
    Really no sense in carrying this discussion further, you seem to believe that the bureaucrats in D.C. have the answers and look for a one size fits all solution to your local problems. That is never going to happen. Either get involved in local politics, attract new businesses to your area, or simply do what you are doing being part of the victim mentality. Wonder which one will lead to success?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    nope it upholds the law read the RFRA. that was a laws signed 20 years ago.

    nope it doesn't apply to a few and the courts issue narrow rulings all the time.
    Sure they do. Anytime they want to carve their own laws out of whole cloth.

    RFRA, is a 1993 United States federal law aimed at preventing laws that substantially burden a person's free exercise of their religion.

    The ACA in no way substantially burdened hobby lobby's executives the free exercise of their religion. If anything, them imposing their religion on their employees is the restrictive force here. The bible says nothing about contraception and in fact, it gives instructions on how to give an abortion when the wife cheats on her husband.

    These people are making their religion up as they go and trying to bend laws to them to be applied differently than to everyone else.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Sure they do. Anytime they want to carve their own laws out of whole cloth.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You asking me who made crap up willy nilly? The conservative morons on the scotus.

    Like idiot boy scalia for example... Where in employment division vs smith he wrote his opinion on how natives who use peyote... In a practice far predating Christianity BTW... Can't use religion as an excuse. What a hypocritical dork that guy is.

    Face it, the right only likes the ruling because its a sticking of the thumb in Obamas eye. It has nothing to do with the constitutionality of it at all.
    So you're smarter than 5 Supreme Court judges? You know more about the Constitution than they do? Curious, what law school did you graduate from?

    Face it, you just don't like this ruling. Admit you detest religious people.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    "We are under a Constitution, but the Constitution is what the judges say it is, and the judiciary is the safeguard of our liberty and of our property under the Constitution."
    --Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes
    Yeah... he's wrong. It is the people that decide what the constitution is and we briefly entrust people in robes to attempt to interpret the constitution. Folks like Scalia intend to wield it as a weapon against the people and dictate to them under what restrictions that they must live. And his "narrow" rulings help him carve the constitution to ****.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So you're smarter than 5 Supreme Court judges? You know more about the Constitution than they do? Curious, what law school did you graduate from?

    Face it, you just don't like this ruling. Admit you detest religious people.
    I thought you were playing thread nazi to keep this on the topic of the ruling... so why did you all of a sudden make this post about me personally?

    btw... you were the first one in this thread to declare what is and isn't constitutional about this ruling. This is a debate forum. I'm putting my 2 cents in here just like you. Are you expecting me to be sorry that you don't like me making points you don't agree with?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It's not who did. Hopefully no one has taken anything from you yet. But, the danger is now there. Your employer's religion can now be used as an excuse to deny you what you are legally entitled to.

    What would be different about a Jehovah's Witness owner making a determination that your heath care which you pay for doesn't cover blood transfusions? Or what about a Scientologist refusing to contribute to mandated prescription drug care? These aren't just hypothetical situations. They're very very real.

    If I'm a business owner and I can use my religious beliefs to avoid paying for something, then I'm certainly going to do it. This gives people with "deeply held" religious beliefs a governmentally derived benefit which is a CLEAR violation of the establishment clause.
    My employer's religion? They may use it as an excuse to deny me birth control?

    Blood transfusions? Scientologist?

    Do you just parrot every word that you are fed (in this case, by Ginsburg, who was for the RFRA before she was against it)?

    If you're so worried about the pains you imagine you will go through, I suggest you avoid it by opening your own business so you can give your employees all of the blood transfusions and birth control they want and can't live without.

    I'm sorry, but the hysterics and the level of paranoia is simply pathetic. This is all coming from the same people who allowed the government to ram the ACA down their throats and didn't question it, but lapped it all up. I'd say it's funny, but it isn't. It's sad and pathetic.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yeah... he's wrong. It is the people that decide what the constitution is and we briefly entrust people in robes to attempt to interpret the constitution. Folks like Scalia intend to wield it as a weapon against the people and dictate to them under what restrictions that they must live. And his "narrow" rulings help him carve the constitution to ****.
    Oddly, I don't find anything similar in the writings of our great jurists. I think you have an obligation to publish your insight.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I thought you were playing thread nazi to keep this on the topic of the ruling... so why did you make this post about me personally?
    Because I was responding to your post saying how stupid the conservative judges are. Since you said it, I'd like to see you share your expert opinion on it. Can you?

    I don't call any SCOTUS judge any name, whether I agree with the person or not. I respect the bench more than I respect the politicians who have no interest in us. I respect the Constitution. So do those 5 conservative judges.

    Knock off the thread Nazi comments. There are 2 moderator warnings about comments like that,

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