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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Um, wrong again. People get sick. It happens.

    Human life and cars are two completely different things.
    Minor things happen to cars that do not require mechanics to repair them, yet people go anyway. Similarly minor illnesses happen to people that do not require a doctor. It's why we have those OTC medicines. But people go anyway. If one gets sick to the point where they need prescriptions then we are moving into that catastrophic area.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Because what the rest of the world does, in regards to health care, works better than what we do. It is better overall care, less expensive, covers more people.
    Has longer waits and they still come to the US to get many procedures done.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    JasperL;1063480056]I'll just say that I admire what you did, but I think it's a big mistake to assume that because someone (you) can do something that from a policy level we can assume than everyone can. They simply cannot. No amount of moving around solves 12% unemployment of the larger problem of 5-10 million lost manufacturing jobs replaced by jobs at Walmart. The bottom 20% will ALWAYS be there, and it doesn't really matter why.
    Sure solved unemployment problems for those who didn't have a job and moved to TX. Unlike far too many I know I am not nearly as smart as most liberals but I do understand personal responsibility and knew that I couldn't get ahead by staying where I was so I showed some initiative and drive accepting moves to various parts of the country, being very selective on where I went. again good performance game me a lot of latitude. Others could do the same thing

    Unfortunately no matter how much you throw at some people it will never be enough. The big problem we have today is the entitlement mentality and lack of respect people have for actual business owners. Ever do any interviewing? Interesting who shows up and how they look. Sometimes you just have to throw in the towel, give it your best shot and if it doesn't work realize that maybe, just maybe they are the problem not the system.

    I live in Tennessee which has about the 48th lowest tax burden and is business friendly as heck, and you drive around some once thriving rural towns and then you see the rusted out manufacturing plants and there's nothing to replace them. A lot of those counties have median incomes less than $20k. MEDIAN, so half make less than that. And there are NO counties except the ones around Nashville that do much better. So saying what you did, from the 1960s - the 2000s or so before we hollowed out our industrial core and shipped it overseas doesn't tell anyone how to make it in THIS economy. Bottom line is thanks to globalization, working people ARE competing with $1 an hour, with the kind of pollution etc. you see in China. If you have an idea how we 'compete' with that and remain a first world country, I'm all ears, but that's the kind of discussion that needs to happen, not just blame average workers for things WAY out of their control as a group.
    I would move out of Tenn to a more aggressive state that is attracting businesses. I have checked all over TX and cannot find a buggy whip manufacture left. You see businesses change and people have to change and adapt to the business. Works all the time to have actual employees show up with an actual professional appearance and positive attitude not demanding to become President of the company day one.

    Sure, individually, anyone can make it. But we can't assume they ALL have the intelligence, skill, drive, competence, health, etc to nor should we expect a person to be in the top 10% of all those things to have a decent life raising a family.
    The problem is too many people judge others by their own standards. Some people are absolutely very happy living the way they do all the time complaining about how they live. Most of what you posted are personal responsibility issues that can easily be corrected. Drive and initiative are traits people have to learn and some refuse to do so.



    I'll just address that briefly - NO ONE demands equal outcomes or even close to equal. Based on what you said, you made many times the average income, and that's how it should be. All I'm suggesting is you show less contempt for those who will ALWAYS BE at the bottom, even though many of them work damn hard and just don't make much money, and never will, especially with globalization. Not everyone can be or will be in the top 1% or 10% or even 50%.
    Read some of your posts and tell me that isn't what you are advocating? I did make many times the average income but didn't do it day one. I worked hard, earned everything I got, and get sick and tired of others telling me I should pay more in taxes. Why? I give generously to charities of my choice, why give it to a bureaucrat to waste. Many people here do advocate equal outcome and promote class warfare along with jealousy as to what others have, what others make, and what others pay in taxes. We don't have or shouldn't have a stagnant pie but rather a growing one which allows more people to get a bigger share. I subscribe to that and don't care what someone else makes, someone else pays in taxes, or what someone else has. I control what I have through my own efforts.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Are you questioning his faith?
    Come now bubba, are you really suggesting that anyone who doesn't believe exactly what the Green's believe aren't really Christians?



    Looks like the rightwing are trying to use religion to win political battles now.
    Do you know who else does that? Islamic terrorists
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    I'm questioning his politics and your Hillary-esque analogy.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Only "sloppy language" to those who don't have a focus on the big picture. I can see where if you really didn't understand the big picture you might have been confused however.

    As to your second point can and should aren't always the same thing.

    Finally...the "Hobby Lobby" case has nothing to do with "keeping your coverage". It had to do with a company that didn't want to cover certain birth control. It probably would help if you read the decision. It would be much easier to discuss it.
    You're either very weak on comprehension or relentlessly defensive despite the facts.
    Either way it's not very productive trying to get through to you.
    See ya.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Nice rant, carry that message to the polls also telling the people that conservatives want to starve kids, kill seniors, and destroy the atmosphere. How long do you think you can perpetuate these lies.

    Women have access to healthcare and nothing in this ruling changes that. Women have access to free birth control pills from Planned Parenthood and nothing is going to change that. Keep spouting the lies and distortions which appeal to the low information voters most of whom still believe Obama rhetoric. Your problem is you aren't dealing with low information voters when you post to conservatives. We tried to tell you about Obama and you ignored it, still ignoring it. Says a lot about liberals.
    I spoke the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God. Too bad you can't say the same.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yes, it was a blatant, deliberate, and hurtful/hateful lie from the get go, and his base continues to defend it. Which is why I think as the great experiment, the USA has now failed. We who love and value liberty were too busy tending to business to notice the enemy within that has now eroded almost all our liberties, choices, options, and opportunities that they make us believe are still ours but which they can now allow or take away with impunity.

    The Hobby Lobby case is just the tip of the iceberg as the left will continue to try to tighten the vise until all our rights are assigned to us by somebody else and we will have no right to be who are what we are or any choice in our own destinies.
    I'd rather not believe that, but every day that goes by demonstrating obvious citizen indifference to what's been happening and their Government dependence, the more worrisome it becomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    I'm questioning his politics and your Hillary-esque analogy.
    Really, because it looked more like a fallacious attack on the messenger because you didn't like the message.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Really, because it looked more like a fallacious attack on the messenger because you didn't like the message.
    Oh no. Not fallacious. His message is fully in sync with his politics.
    This may shock you but there have been Leftist clergy before that guy.
    Look up Daniel & Philip Berrigan and fast forward to Jeremiah Wright.
    The Huffington Post should have raised a red flag for ya.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The big problem we have today is the entitlement mentality and lack of respect people have for actual business owners. Ever do any interviewing? Interesting who shows up and how they look. Sometimes you just have to throw in the towel, give it your best shot and if it doesn't work realize that maybe, just maybe they are the problem not the system.
    Well, the entitlement mentality and a hollowed out industrial core, etc. If you can't even acknowledge the huge structural issue, there isn't a whole lot of point discussing the big picture. When good jobs open up, they get filled, and could get filled many times over. It's hard when the best work has mostly disappeared and we have entire towns just hollowed out with nothing coming in to replace them except big box stores filled with stuff made overseas in lowest common denominator locations.

    I would move out of Tenn to a more aggressive state that is attracting businesses. I have checked all over TX and cannot find a buggy whip manufacture left. You see businesses change and people have to change and adapt to the business. Works all the time to have actual employees show up with an actual professional appearance and positive attitude not demanding to become President of the company day one.
    Not any buggy whip makers here either. Also don't have a lot of oil, though, that could be part of it. And not everyone wants to be CEO. In the local car plants, they've got thousands of people dying to take one of the decent jobs.

    The problem is too many people judge others by their own standards. Some people are absolutely very happy living the way they do all the time complaining about how they live. Most of what you posted are personal responsibility issues that can easily be corrected. Drive and initiative are traits people have to learn and some refuse to do so.
    Well, again, that and no good jobs because we're competing with $1 an hour....

    Read some of your posts and tell me that isn't what you are advocating? I did make many times the average income but didn't do it day one. I worked hard, earned everything I got, and get sick and tired of others telling me I should pay more in taxes. Why? I give generously to charities of my choice, why give it to a bureaucrat to waste. Many people here do advocate equal outcome and promote class warfare along with jealousy as to what others have, what others make, and what others pay in taxes. We don't have or shouldn't have a stagnant pie but rather a growing one which allows more people to get a bigger share. I subscribe to that and don't care what someone else makes, someone else pays in taxes, or what someone else has. I control what I have through my own efforts.
    No need to read them, I wrote them. I have never expressed any desire or support for 'equal outcomes' or anything remotely close to that. Getting decent healthcare to more Americans isn't hoping for equal outcomes. That's moving the bottom rung of the ladder a few inches off the floor, so Remote Area Medical doesn't have a healthcare event in a big field in the mountains and have people, many of them very hard working, lining up at 1am the night before to get a tooth pulled or basic damn healthcare needs taken care of. That's NOT 'equal outcomes.' Sorry.

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