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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Vive la difference!
    Depends on what side you're on I suppose.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge[W:513,870]

    Sounds like someone needs more fiber in their diet.


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    Meh, more boilerplate hackish right-wing garbage. "LIBERAL FASCISM DURRRR." You'll fit right in.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    Explain why we *should* do what the rest of the world does. Be detailed and non-weaselly.
    Because what the rest of the world does, in regards to health care, works better than what we do. It is better overall care, less expensive, covers more people.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Well, yeah, it is different, because if your car dies, you can get another car.
    Did you know that health insurance offered by companies before this nonsense is a benefit. You weren't, entitled to ****.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Because what the rest of the world does, in regards to health care, works better than what we do. It is better overall care, less expensive, covers more people.
    Wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Did you know that health insurance offered by companies before this nonsense is a benefit. You weren't, entitled to ****.
    What on earth are you talking about? Your post makes no sense.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Because what the rest of the world does, in regards to health care, works better than what we do. It is better overall care, less expensive, covers more people.
    What is your expertise to make that statement? How often have you used foreign healthcare? Ever hear the saying that the grass is greener on the other side until you get there? Love liberal experts like you who ignore how many foreigners are coming to this country for treatment abandoning their own health care system. Wonder why?

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I asked you to define those making minimum wage and who is poor. You have no idea who I am or where i lived but the coal country of Eastern Ky certainly would qualify as poor. No one forces those people to live under those conditions and I chose not to either. You see, choice certainly applies here as well.

    Guess it is too much to expect honesty. You buy what you are told and do no independent research. I moved six times in my career all to better myself and my family. I didn't wait for the job or the money to come to me. Why should anyone else. if the opportunity isn't in your community, move to where the opportunities lie. That is why TX is growing so rapidly, great economy, low cost of living, and the number one state in the union in population growth? Why? Low wages, no health insurance? That is what liberals want you to believe but I hope you think rather than feel. People don't move to TX to live in poverty or to have no insurance, they move here because of the opportunities. I wish some of those from California would move back because they are trying to turn this state into the one they left
    I'll just say that I admire what you did, but I think it's a big mistake to assume that because someone (you) can do something that from a policy level we can assume than everyone can. They simply cannot. No amount of moving around solves 12% unemployment of the larger problem of 5-10 million lost manufacturing jobs replaced by jobs at Walmart. The bottom 20% will ALWAYS be there, and it doesn't really matter why.

    I live in Tennessee which has about the 48th lowest tax burden and is business friendly as heck, and you drive around some once thriving rural towns and then you see the rusted out manufacturing plants and there's nothing to replace them. A lot of those counties have median incomes less than $20k. MEDIAN, so half make less than that. And there are NO counties except the ones around Nashville that do much better. So saying what you did, from the 1960s - the 2000s or so before we hollowed out our industrial core and shipped it overseas doesn't tell anyone how to make it in THIS economy. Bottom line is thanks to globalization, working people ARE competing with $1 an hour, with the kind of pollution etc. you see in China. If you have an idea how we 'compete' with that and remain a first world country, I'm all ears, but that's the kind of discussion that needs to happen, not just blame average workers for things WAY out of their control as a group.

    Sure, individually, anyone can make it. But we can't assume they ALL have the intelligence, skill, drive, competence, health, etc to nor should we expect a person to be in the top 10% of all those things to have a decent life raising a family.

    What do I expect? Equal OPPORTUNITY, NOT equal outcome. Give me the opportunity and I will do the rest. that is what happened when I got my first job, 35 years later I retired from that job and operated everyone of those years like I was on a one year contract. Interesting how performance generates job security
    I'll just address that briefly - NO ONE demands equal outcomes or even close to equal. Based on what you said, you made many times the average income, and that's how it should be. All I'm suggesting is you show less contempt for those who will ALWAYS BE at the bottom, even though many of them work damn hard and just don't make much money, and never will, especially with globalization. Not everyone can be or will be in the top 1% or 10% or even 50%.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What on earth are you talking about? Your post makes no sense.
    Employer provided health insurance was never supposed to be an entitlement. Simple.
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